"DOI will work with HUD to identify lands to offload for the development of affordable homes"

[grainhog]

DOI proposing to transfer federal land to states for the express purpose of development for profit.

Is this still "fear mongering"?

 

[elkhunter505]

DOI proposing to transfer federal land to states for the express purpose of development for profit.

Is this still "fear mongering"?

Never was fear mongering. I feel like a lot of us knew this was coming and downsizing the federal agency makes it easier for them to say that they can’t do it under the current regulatory framework because the process is too slow because of a problem they purposely created. Our public agencies are the defenders of these places and they’re being gutted for a reason. Whether or not you agree with the gutting is a political choice, but I think we all know that lower staff numbers combined with trying to streamline this type of process is going to lead to inevitable backlogs, which could, in theory, lead to calls for reform to make it easier and less regulated. Personally, I think that is the whole point of what they’re doing, but that is a subjective interpretation which I am open to hearing others opinions on. I’m sick and tired of fighting with people I believe have the same goals as we do over other dumb stuff. If we can all agree we have the same goals, then we can move towards collaborative nonpartisan solutions.

 

[grainhog]

If we can all agree we have the same goals, then we can move towards collaborative nonpartisan solutions.

This is essential. This is an existential threat to public ownership of federal ground in the US, and by extension the North American model. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

“This isn't a free-for-all to build on federal lands, although we recognize that bad-faith critics will likely call it that,” the secretaries said. “It's a strategic effort to use our resources responsibly while preserving our most beautiful lands.”

I just don't see any "affordable homes" being built anywhere we're concerned about. There may be useless property that we're wasting money maintaining near a big city or something that could be good candidates. Once they identify some properties I have my pitchfork on standby to raise hell about it if it doesn't look good. There's also a lot of big talk about doing this and that but a lot of it is just talk and not going anywhere, example a certain list we're supposed to get names of that we're still waiting on. You get the picture.

edit: OP, did you change the wording of the article link for effect?

 

[elkhunter505]

I just don't see any "affordable homes" being built anywhere we're concerned about. There may be useless property that we're wasting money maintaining near a big city or something that could be good candidates. Once they identify some properties I have my pitchfork on standby to raise hell about it if it doesn't look good. There's also a lot of big talk about doing this and that but a lot of it is just talk and not going anywhere, example a certain list we're supposed to get names of that we're still waiting on. You get the picture.

edit: OP, did you change the wording of the article link for effect?

I think the pitchforks need to come out now so they don’t even think about it. Blackrock and other investment firms have bought thousands of single family homes for AirBNB and drove the prices up an insane amount which I believe should be illegal. If these people were really trying to solve the issue, they would be going there, not trying to take our public pieces. They’re keeping money in their donors pockets (blackrock, etc.) and trying to take our land at the same time. Blackrock and those companies should not be allowed to own homes, they should be forced to sell to regular people. What they are proposing is a lose-lose scenario regardless of what lands they try to sell. Remove public lands and put up housing developments for companies to exploit people or worse build giant mansions for the rich that buy those places.

 

[grainhog]

I just don't see any "affordable homes" being built anywhere we're concerned about. There may be useless property that we're wasting money maintaining near a big city or something that could be good candidates. Once they identify some properties I have my pitchfork on standby to raise hell about it if it doesn't look good. There's also a lot of big talk about doing this and that but a lot of it is just talk and not going anywhere, example a certain list we're supposed to get names of that we're still waiting on. You get the picture.

edit: OP, did you change the wording of the article link for effect?

This is like waiting until there's black mold in your bathroom to fix the leak. Good luck with that.

If you actually read the article, you'll see that the text I pasted is its subtitle.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I think the pitchforks need to come out now so they don’t even think about it. Blackrock and other investment firms have bought thousands of single family homes for AirBNB and drove the prices up an insane amount which I believe should be illegal. If these people were really trying to solve the issue, they would be going there, not trying to take our public pieces. They’re keeping money in their donors pockets (blackrock, etc.) and trying to take our land at the same time. Blackrock and those companies should not be allowed to own homes, they should be forced to sell to regular people. What they are proposing is a lose-lose scenario regardless of what lands they try to sell. Remove public lands and put up housing developments for companies to exploit people or worse build giant mansions for the rich that buy those places.

I don't disagree about Blackrock and the price of homes. That doesn't change the fact that there are some properties that are a pain and just end up being dumping grounds or trash that could be better used. Nobody is building "affordable housing" in your pristine mountain hunting areas or hiking spots. They very likely may not even identify anything that's usable and this be a big nothing burger. Again my pitchfork is ready in the event something gets identified that's not in our best interest, but they can have anything urban with a pile of dumped tires and scumbags using it to park and get high or whatever.

This is like waiting until there's black mold in your bathroom to fix the leak. Good luck with that.

If you actually read the article, you'll see that the text I pasted is its subtitle.

No it's not, it's not anything like that. This is soap scum in the bathroom that we're just assuming will be black mold before we look at it. Let's take a look at it and see what it is before we break out the heavy chemicals and quarantine the house, we might just be able to rinse it off without going nuclear.

I did read the article, maybe I'm blind but it's nowhere in there. I even searched for the text and nothing came up, so yeah nice try for extra emphasis.

 

[grainhog]

No it's not, it's not anything like that.

"No, it isn't that, it's what I say it is."

Sure thing. Yeah, stuff is easy to miss when you're quickly scanning for content to select to try to confirm your preconceived notion.

I'm sure you're a good guy, but according to my read, every counter position you've taken in this and other related threads was refuted, so I don't personally plan to respond to your comments on this topic anymore. Happy to discuss red drum though.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

"No, it isn't that, it's what I say it is."

Sure thing. Yeah, stuff is easy to miss when you're quickly scanning for content to select to try to confirm your preconceived notion.

I'm sure you're a good guy, but according to my read, every counter position you've taken in this and other related threads was refuted, so I don't personally plan to respond to your comments on this topic anymore. Happy to discuss red drum though.

How about you go screenshot it for me buddy? I literally just said I searched the page for the text and it's not there, but maybe you just skimmed my post without reading it.

You made a ridiculous black mold analogy and I disputed it, but because you said so makes it true but I say so it's not? LOL

I get it, yall don't trust anything the administration does and are looking for things to scream about. All I'm saying is to wait and see if it's worth screaming about before you blow your lungs out, it only discredits our positions when we scream about everything prematurely.

 

[grainhog]

edit: OP, did you change the wording of the article link for effect?

I see what you mean now; the title of my post is copied from the article, but yes, I wrote the hyperlink text...and the two statements practically speaking have the exact same meaning.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I see what you mean now; the title of my post is copied from the article, but yes, I wrote the hyperlink text...and the two statements practically speaking have the exact same meaning.

Fair enough.

I'm going to disagree with the same meaning though. "Expressly for profit" is pretty extreme interpretation and taking a lot of liberties and assumptions with that article.

 

[grainhog]

All I'm saying is to wait and see if it's worth screaming about before you

"All I'm saying is wait until it turns into black mold before you"

 

[JohnJohnson]

Is this still "fear mongering"?

The people this jab is directed at are not going to have an epiphany and suddenly agree with you. They never cared in the first place. They'll just move the goalposts.

I get it, yall don't trust anything the administration does and are looking for things to scream about. All I'm saying is to wait and see if it's worth screaming about before you blow your lungs out, it only discredits our positions when we scream about everything prematurely.

I think it might help for future discussions for you to describe a red line that, if they cross, you will admit you were wrong to blindly trust them.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

"All I'm saying is wait until it turns into black mold before you"

If you want to quarantine your house and fumigate it with chemicals just in case it might have black mold then it's your house, do what you want. For my house I'm not nuking the place unless there's actually black mold.

 

[grainhog]

Fair enough.

I'm going to disagree with the same meaning though. "Expressly for profit" is pretty extreme interpretation and taking a lot of liberties and assumptions with that article.

You're apparently much more trusting of politicians and real estate developers than I am.

 

[elkhunter505]

Again my pitchfork is ready in the event something gets identified that's not in our best interest, but they can have anything urban with a pile of dumped tires and scumbags using it to park and get high or whatever.

On this note, if those people lose access to that place, where do you think they may do it next? I’d doubt they’re going to go to a place in town, it may just end up pushing them onto our nice grounds. Yeah it’s a problem that they’re doing it in the first place, but that’s the reality of the situation in my mind.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

The people this jab is directed at are not going to have an epiphany and suddenly agree with you. They never cared in the first place. They'll just move the goalposts.

I think it might help for future discussions for you to describe a red line that, if they cross, you will admit you were wrong to blindly trust them.

For myself it's going to be based on what land, if any, are identified. I highly value public land, even if it's not for hunting and just a hiking trail or something. I just don't want to scream blindly at something that's not there.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

On this note, if those people lose access to that place, where do you think they may do it next? I’d doubt they’re going to go to a place in town, it may just end up pushing them onto our nice grounds. Yeah it’s a problem that they’re doing it in the first place, but that’s the reality of the situation in my mind.

Private land, not our problem.

 

[grainhog]

Even though we've already been indisputably diagnosed as prediabetic, let's all wait until we have full blown diabetes to exercise and eat healthy.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Let's all wait until we have full blown diabetes to start injecting insulin.

*fify

It only weakens our positions to cry wolf and exaggerate the severity of everything that comes up. Let's look at things objectively and keep a vigilant eye out and fight battles when we have one.