Does Dialing Take Too Long?

[Clark33]

Nope

 

[Ryan Avery]

No

But I have switched to RF binoculars, I missed an opportunity on a great MD buck going back and forth between binos and RF.


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[Mojave]

No

But I have switched to RF binoculars, I missed an opportunity on a great MD buck going back and forth between binos and RF.


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Yep.

 

[Antares]

Rangefinding binos and a piece of tape on the elevation turret marked with yardage is a pretty quick system.

I still have separate binos and rangefinder, but I can see the benefit of combining them.

 

[Reburn]

No

But I have switched to RF binoculars, I missed an opportunity on a great MD buck going back and forth between binos and RF.


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Using the ziess RF and getting the dope fed directly into my eye ball has been pretty swell.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Since the RF binos have been brought up, so I don't hijack the thread further, is there a main thread or sticky discussing the various options, optical quality/tradeoffs, etc?

 

[Stinky Coyote]

Ah yes. The Stinky Coyote ‘what if’s’… I remember you from Alberta Outdoorsmen before you were banned, (Shoot any moose in the arse lately?) I usually can’t be bothered, but I’ll humor your trolling this time…

no I haven't pulled a moose tag since, maybe next season? if you bring up the only forum I've ever been banned from you should explain why I was banned? I'll do it for you, it was for trying to warn/save as many as possible about the lies surrounding covid and the shots from our government and media

the saga on that will come full circle on that forum just wait and see, turns out all the 'theories' weren't theories afterall and a certain percentage of us are immune to propaganda and programming and also capable of research...who knew...hero is maybe the word you're looking for here?, you'll see soon enough, and all those good folks who were also banned from that forum which took government money to ensure the narrative was the only thing allowed will see how this all plays out, that forum sure is a desolate shathole of weaponized virtue now isn't it?

fyi...you cannot not do your best to warn as many as possible about evil once you acknowledge it exists, to remain silent is to be complicit in said evil....so lets just be real clear on that subject shall we?

the moose is a great story, anyone can ask me anytime about it, 125 yard shots through a 100 yards of trees, first one lungs/liver fatal threaded through trees off sitting height bipod and it went about 15 yards as moose do, it was never going any further, the liver took it all, haven't seen a single organ so badly destroyed (point blank with 12 gauge for visual), but as any solid closer does, he shoots until he can't see them, got a couple more off free handing through the trees on anything I could see, took out a femur with one and went in under the antler and blew it off with a chunk of skull plate with the 3rd....it's handy when you're handy with a bolt gun when you're a hunter , hey what's your handle on Alberta Outdoorsman so I know who I'm chatting with here?

The scenario I outlined was well beyond MPBR, and wasn’t happening without a solid range. With or without a hunting partner.

I know my drops 800 and in. 150-250M? I’ll guesstimate range and hold accordingly. No rangefinder or MPBR required. Beyond 250-300M, I’m wanting a laser range.

ok fair enough, you weren't clear about the beyond mpbr in the first description and I was aware that could be the case, so not really a relatable example for this thread and we covered that it wasn't gonna happen without a partner, that's why I added in the variables in the hypothetical so we could all see how it very well could have been and had you been solo and beyond your 100 yard zero point blank range but still well within a mpbr zero had you chosen that...we're off in the weeds completely now discussing a not relatable experience but I tried to make one that would be, all the best

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I like how we're in the long range hunting forum, but we're getting a bunch of hypotheticals about jump shooting spooky whitetails at 150 yards...

No, dialing doesn't take to long for me.

well, long range 'hunting' is still hunting and you have to start somewhere, it's ok to discuss where we start from and why, we don't just have special blinders on when we go afield that eliminates anything alive inside 300 yards from our vision lol

 

[Stinky Coyote]

Seeing how this is in the LR forum, I'd venture to say that most coyotes are shot much closer than what we consider LR for deer. I've shot deer more than three times as far as I've ever shot a coyote and had plenty of time to dial and judge wind.

When I go with good coyote hunters the shots are inside of 50 yards 99% of the time.

haven't read all the responses yet but so at risk of pointing out the obvious, a coyote at 100 is about the same as a whitetail at 300, both flighty af and paranoid, so stands to reason your deer kills will come about 3x further than your coyote kills, most can math the dots on the subject, the coyote is also more paranoid and flightier quarry than whitetail so they really are an awesome target to train for big game, better than steel

 

[WeiserBucks]

I don't hunt whitetails.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

No

But I have switched to RF binoculars, I missed an opportunity on a great MD buck going back and forth between binos and RF.


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every hunt can be a learning experience, every foresight into 'what ifs' and others combined lessons are things that can be used to eliminate as many of those as possible, and that is exactly what this thread is about, we all have different comfort levels and acceptance levels of many of these

the dialling from 100 for a mpbr opportunity will be more common to catch a guy out than what you just described

and not necessarily a reply back to you but some other comments since I was last on guys virtue signalling their hunting prowess by only shooting at or targeting sleeping animals etc. so who cares about some extra steps that may cost them in a more realistic or dynamic situation like most normal hunting...not much difference in sleeping animals and targets, nothing dynamic, so anything works, some want to be prepared for it all however, with least amount of steps, noise, or anything that could get in the way of field success

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I don't hunt whitetails.

lmao, no kidding, I was wondering when this might start coming out in discussion, I don't think you're alone here, there's lots of mule deer heavy guys here and they are way different, we hunt em both in Alberta, muley's are walk in the park in comparison

 

[WeiserBucks]

I'm not sure where you're going with any of this.

 

[Justin Crossley]

@Stinky Coyote

We are now at four pages, and I'm pretty sure you've typed more words than all the other posts combined, yet you still haven't answered the original question. I think you just like to argue. Stop with all the hypothetical scenarios where as you say "the s**t hits the fan" and you need to RUSH your shot.

Yup, takes too long, added 2-3 steps unnecessarily, works fine for all range work, works fine for plenty of big game situations, maybe even most, but it will catch you out, you will meet Murphy when you really don't want to.

step 1. your pull out and use a rangefinder
step 2. you consult your data to see what to dial to
step 3. you dial

You can eliminate step 2 with a speed dial turret already set up in yards so just dial to the yardage.

Or...just up the rifle and shoot middle of kill zone. Hunt whitetails much? Not that coyotes count for this discussion but chase them around with a 100 yard zero for awhile and see how that goes, great practice for whitetails fyi. For the game that uses it's vision and distance to stay safe vs the game that is paranoid and flighty...one of these things is almost mandatory. Hunting...animals...not targets.

Below is my method, and it has served me very well. No difference in the time it takes compared to a "speed dial turret" that is only good for a specific set of environmental conditions. The difference is that the dope is more precise, which helps remove possible errors in poi vs. poa.

Step 1. Range animal and read the dope displayed on the screen.
Step 2. Dial scope.
Step 3. Press trigger.

Backups like a printed drop chart made for specific conditions are great to have taped on the stock or shoved in your pack in case something goes wrong.

This method works no matter where I go on the globe and no matter how close or far my shot may be.

If I range the animal and it's within MPBR, I simply shoot it. That's obvious to me and has nothing to do with my question.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I'm not sure where you're going with any of this.

dialling from 100 zero for mpbr zero big game hunting takes too long, adds 3 steps steps (ranging, correction solution calculating, then applying the correction solution), in a zone of hunting where time is most sensitive, especially so on a few of the big game species we chase, maybe less important for others, and could be handled with raising the rifle and getting crosshair in middle of front end and pulling trigger before that tail flickers and they are gone from your life forever

well that's the discussion anyway, if all you chase is mule deer or other largely static targets like steel then maybe you don't need to be that prepared, some of us a bit more serious though and chase some faster flightier big game so you do what you can to minimize the amount of fack around so you can break out the knife as often as possible

 

[Stinky Coyote]

If I range the animal and it's within MPBR, I simply shoot it. That's obvious to me and has nothing to do with my question.

you don't do anything without the rangefinder? that's what mpbr zero is for...it eliminates the need to take all of those steps you just listed, do you not have rough idea what mpbr looks like afield without the instruments? the ranging comes out when it is beyond mpbr and all the time in the world, you can't identify your targets with naked eye or low/mid magnification range setting on the scope inside mpbr?

 

[35WhelenAI]

With further thought, and playing a bit of devils advocate...

If ranging an individual animal is needed because it's way beyond far, the animal had better be posing for a shot if dialing is needed. I wouldn't consider that losing an opportunity because of dialing. The reason being dialing is the only way to make the shot. It's part of the deal.

Swapping between rangefinder and binoculars isn't part of dialing as we can agree. If binoculars and a rangefinder are needed to be swapped between, the animal is probably a good ways off. Maybe there wasn't a shot to be had in the first place to consider it being a lost shot opportunity due to having two devices vs one. Sometimes there just isn't a shot as much as we want to create a shot, and that's OK.

Arriving at an area, I range the area I am hunting, like taking a sit on a ridge or large alpine meadow or clear cut. I know right away what's within MPBR and what isn't. By the same token, I have spent time in the field to know what 300 yards looks like and thus MPBR is useful.

To be honest it's gonna take me some time to be as close to fully comfortable as I can get with dialing now that I have a dial scope, because one more element of mechanical devices is now involved.

Ultimately that's where I see we're at. Dialing is part of the deal if you dial (dang, that sounds like Yogi Berra if he was a hunter). IMO, there can't be a "too long". We the hunter create the situation of dialing in the first place.

 

[Justin Crossley]

you don't do anything without the rangefinder? that's what mpbr zero is for...it eliminates the need to take all of those steps you just listed, do you not have rough idea what mpbr looks like afield without the instruments? the ranging comes out when it is beyond mpbr and all the time in the world, you can't identify your targets with naked eye or low/mid magnification range setting on the scope inside mpbr?

All those steps I just listed take only seconds total.

I'll shoot a deer if I KNOW it's under 200 yards without ranging.

Rarely, and I mean rarely do I not have time to range unless the animal is extremely close. That includes those crazy whitetails that are so spooky.

This year, 198 yards, buck chasing doe in circles. I had time to glass him enough to judge his size, range him, set the tripod at standing height for my dad, lock rifle into tripod, adjust his dial a couple tenths to be exact, and then get back in my binos to watch his shot. If the deer was running because we couldn't get there without spooking him, we would have passed the shot.



Are you going to tell me about a specific time where you couldn't shoot a deer because he walked away while you were dialing?

 

[Rich M]

used to hunt a lease, had shots out to 250 and a deer crossing a rd at 200-250 does not leave time to adjust scope.

I like dead hold sightings, maybe bdc scope. Dialing might be better out west. Critters are more woods oriented back east and dont give us tine to adjust.

 

[Billy Goat]

Seems if you ain't got time to capitalize, you ain't got time to dial.



Or maybe they are separate but similar issues.