Cyanide use for predator control

[cbat]

What?
Seriously?

You just have to shake your head sometimes. People who have never lived on or operated farms or ranches have no clue. But they have a keyboard to make stupid comments.

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

Domestic sheep and livestock on public lands are a bigger issue than coyotes!
If one of my dogs found an M44... i would be scared to be a sheep.

 

[KurtR]

There are signs just be able to read

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

There are signs just be able to read

Dogs cant read signs... most bird dogs range pretty far... you would never see the signage before it was too late. Hell I had a dog point an M44 bait in Nebraska a long time ago.

This risky and relatively expensive tool is being used to help non profitable businesses? Sounds like socialism to me.

If your margins are that low find another job, just like most other folks are forced to do.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Do two or ten or twenty wrongs make a right?

In the case of poisons and snares set with taxpayer funds, it is literally socializing the risk (and cost) for a questionable increase in the profits of a private company. If they can’t turn a profit without indiscriminate taxpayer funded lethal controls, not to mention all the other subsidies, maybe they shouldn’t be in business?

What if beef was 10k for a finished steer? That would be neat wouldn’t it? I’ll take gov subsidies for our meat/ food supply any day of the week over all the other fraud and crap they waste my family’s money on…

 

[KurtR]

Dogs cant read signs... most bird dogs range pretty far... you would never see the signage before it was too late. Hell I had a dog point an M44 bait in Nebraska a long time ago.

This risky and relatively expensive tool is being used to help non profitable businesses? Sounds like socialism to me.

If your margins are that low find another job, just like most other folks are forced to do.

I mean socialism likes to get thrown around stupidly so i guess public land would fall under that scope also......

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

I mean socialism likes to get thrown around stupidly so i guess public land would fall under that scope also...

Yes in a looser sense it does. You aint wrong. But we can still agree that domestic livestock on public lands is a greater threat than a few coyotes... any outdoorsman protecting the sheep/wool industry is dillusional.

 

[KurtR]

Yes in a looser sense it does. You aint wrong. But we can still agree that domestic livestock on public lands is a greater threat than a few coyotes... any outdoorsman protecting the sheep/wool industry is dillusional.

I dont know coyotes kill alot of deer and birds. How many instances are there of dogs being killed? I killed my biggest mule deer just shy of 200 with a bunch of cows watching me and killed a bunch of goats on public land wiith cows around. Being multi use is good for keeping public land public

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

I dont know coyotes kill alot of deer and birds. How many instances are there of dogs being killed? I killed my biggest mule deer just shy of 200 with a bunch of cows watching me and killed a bunch of goats on public land wiith cows around. Being multi use is good for keeping public land public

They do, but they also kill species that raid nests...
Balance is the key, some grazing on public land is awesome, but we are encountering the classic tragedy of the commons throughout much of the west when it comes to grazing on public lands.
They are also doing little to keep public lands public. They would be helping if grazing fees were adjusted to match.
We are basically subsidizing cheap beef to keep China happy. All while destroying habitat that is critical for our wildlife.

 

[ThunderJack49]

How much do you actually know about coyotes? How many have you killed over let's say a years time?

Fact: A fella with a wolf tag or two in his pocket can be extremely lethal on pets..Who remembers the story of the two German Shepards?

In my head, you sound triggered.

I'm sure I know less than you. You've probably killed more coyotes than I've seen.

Traps are reversible. My heeler got caught in a wolf trap this winter and while he didn't love the experience, I was able to get him out quickly, and it was fine.

Cyanide whatever you want on private land, I don't care. On public land it is multiple use and that changes the conversation.

I am a massive proponent of predator control and I hunt coyotes in the mountains and calving grounds, miles from the truck to help out deer and elk.

Your point about the German Shepards really doesn't make an argument one way or another about poison on public land.

 

[cbat]

I can promise you that in desert areas of ALL states that if it were not for the farmers and ranchers there would NO game animals.

 

[cbat]

I caught 2 big dogs in snares on private property that a little liberal chick from town figured it was ok trespass on. She was lucky that I was not using my kill springs . Best part she took them and turned them in to the game warden. My stuff is legal with my trap tags and license number. So game warden was laughing when he called me to ask what he wanted me to do to her.

 

[Reburn]

If your margins are that low find another job, just like most other folks are forced to do.

You run farmers out of business and make them charge what food really costs people will be pretty unhappy.

Its already started to happen with big corps buying out small farms. Its harder to bully 10 very large producers than 1000 small guys.

 

[RockAndSage]

We are basically subsidizing cheap beef to keep China every American dinner table happy.

There, fixed it for you.

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

You run farmers out of business and make them charge what food really costs people will be pretty unhappy.

Its already started to happen with big corps buying out small farms. Its harder to bully 10 very large producers than 1000 small guys.

I so very wish that it was this simple. Most of our beef is not staying here and the beef that is, it is being marked up and middle men are raking the profits.
If it aint viable, raise livestock someplace else.
A few less coyotes are not going to make a damn difference on beef prices. It is simply a scape goat that is easy to point a finger at.
Sheep are a different story...
Killing coyotes doesnt trickle down and benefit the American public. I sure wish it did, but it does not. It wastes our money, supports unsustainable range land practices, and tools like M44's create a risk that is unwarranted.

 

[RockAndSage]

Most of our beef is not staying here

You don't know what you're talking about - the "most" is 10-12%. Just stop.

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

You don't know what you're talking about - the "most" is 10-12%. Just stop.

Should have said "a lot". I was very wrong on that and will admit it. I could care less about those minor details that have no impact on whether or not M44s are used.

Our money and time would be better spent than on predator control if keeping prices low for consumers was actually what we wanted.

If M44s are being used on public land, that is unwarranted. It does not and will not make a damn difference, but create a risk that should not be there. It is wasteful spending.

Do as you wish on private ground, but M44s have no place on public land.

 

[M44]

All the ranchers I know do it for the love of the lifestyle. Some want to die and be buried right there on the ranch . I have driven by a few mini graveyards within a couple hundred yards of the headquarters that are mute testimony to this way of thinking .

I consider them to be stewards of the land. Their entire lives consist of caring for livestock and the ranch ground. A vast majority of the population does not have the physical or mental characteristics necessary to succeed in this profession.

So to those who said just find a different job....don't expect them to learn to code anytime soon.

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

All the ranchers I know do it for the love of the lifestyle. Some want to die and be buried right there on the ranch . I have driven by a few mini graveyards within a couple hundred yards of the headquarters that are mute testimony to this way of thinking .

I consider them to be stewards of the land. Their entire lives consist of caring for livestock and the ranch ground. A vast majority of the population does not have the physical or mental characteristics necessary to succeed in this profession.

So to those who said just find a different job....don't expect them to learn to code anytime soon.

Tough shit. There are plenty of things I would rather do too, but if it dont pay the bills... move along.

 

[Svivian]

Tough shit.

Oh the irony in this statement