Convince me to shoot monolithics again

[nm.otter]

It's a really interesting design. This hints at future offerings in other calibers:

 

[Formidilosus]

And then this pops up in my feed just now: 212gr 308 pushed @ 2600 from a 22" barrel by the same guy.

Kinda wonky, but okay, I like the concept and line of thinking. Makes me slightly rethink my 30SM 208 @ 2920 because the 212 LRX's downrange BC (0.705 212 vs 0.633 208 vs 0.541 190 LRX) ... while the 212/308 is slower at closer/hunting ranges, if recoil is only "308-ish" it's likely super-good-enough (thanks HowNot2) for hunting, but then as you push it out the 212's slippery nature takes over. And the 308 case is less than the 30 SM case capacity, though those 212s are more expensive per bullet.

Fun stuff.

The recoil is definitely not “308’ish” with that load. Very heavy bullets wity relatively high MV, in 308’s has been done for a while; e.g. 185gr Juggs at 2,800+ fps, 208’s at 2,650fps, etc. They recoil like a 30cal that has 2,800fps MV with heavy bullets.

 

[grfox92]

Unless required by law. I would NEVER shoot a mono for any reason. Ever.

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[moxford]

The recoil is definitely not “308’ish” with that load. Very heavy bullets wity relatively high MV, in 308’s has been done for a while; e.g. 185gr Juggs at 2,800+ fps, 208’s at 2,650fps, etc. They recoil like a 30cal that has 2,800fps MV with heavy bullets.

Be interesting to test one of the early theories about reduced recoil due to decreased lands-friction due to the minimized surface area of the "bore rider" design. You're still up against physics with Newton's third law, but with a decrease in friction it could considerably alter the feel if the bullet's bearing surface area is decreased.

And by "308-ish" I was referring to "not 30 SM". 308 with 165 feels different than 308 with 212, sure, but they're still burning way less powder and kicking less than a 300WM/30SM/300PRC. Apologies for that lack of clarity.

Cheers,
-mox

 

[coyotekilla]

The barnes is a awesome bullet, but at 4x the cost of my soft points, im shooting economy as long as the results remain terminal.

 

[dårlig jeger]

And then this pops up in my feed just now: 212gr 308 pushed @ 2600 from a 22" barrel by the same guy.

Kinda wonky, but okay, I like the concept and line of thinking. Makes me slightly rethink my 30SM 208 @ 2920 because the 212 LRX's downrange BC (0.705 212 vs 0.633 208 vs 0.541 190 LRX) ... while the 212/308 is slower at closer/hunting ranges, if recoil is only "308-ish" it's likely super-good-enough (thanks HowNot2) for hunting, but then as you push it out the 212's slippery nature takes over. And the 308 case is less than the 30 SM case capacity, though those 212s are more expensive per bullet.

Fun stuff.

Just using a guesstimate for powder charge (45 grains varget) to push the 212 to 2700fps out of 308, I calculate recoil to be low to mid 20s ft-lbs with an 8 pound rifle.

That slots it in between 6.5 and 7 prc. It is more than standard 308-ish recoil by ~50%

Those guys have suggested that the 212 works well down to 1500 fps in a couple of videos. Just an interesting note.

 

[z987k]

Those guys have suggested that the 212 works well down to 1500 fps in a couple of videos. Just an interesting note.

Ya, without really good evidence they're likely full of crap. I've never seen a mono work to anything I'd remotely consider acceptable at that low of velocity.

 

[z987k]

I'm not sure why anyone's pretending that bullet is a new design. Other companies have had that same thing for a long time now. Honestly, it'd be exciting if Barnes would abandon those celebrations of drag that are the bands and get with the times on all of their bullets.

 

[dårlig jeger]

Ya, without really good evidence they're likely full of crap. I've never seen a mono work to anything I'd remotely consider acceptable at that low of velocity.

They may be full of it, but they are pretty connected to Barnes, so I'd be surprised if it was outlandish and they stuck to it.

I've never shot a 212 lrx on game, so I have no idea. Too bad a guy can't try it without a custom barrel.