Colorado wolves released today

[Overdrive]

I've read most of the thirteen pages but don't remember seeing this question asked. Since the wolves are the apex predators, I am assuming the mountain lion and coyote population will decrease, at least some, since the available food sources are now going to be divided up by another third? Interesting this past elk hunt that I heard coyotes howling well above 11,300 feet, obvisouly chasing something, mid-morning, so wolves will be up there too I imagine.

Coyote population will drop down for sure, Wolves will kill any other canine in their territory so fox and coyotes are going to get hammered.

I think Mountain lions will still prevail, they will adapt and move into the more urban corridors and we'll have more human conflicts. JMO

 

[pirogue]

Isn’t the OR wolf population still listed as endangered through the ESA? How do you have enough wolves to give them away from an endangered population? USFW cleared that?

One treehugger state to another? No issues.

 

[trazerr]

I hope that they all are headed north and out of CO. Into a state that will manage them properly. My hunting buddy is a farmer/rancher here in OR. They are pretty close with their realtor on the east side as they have been trying to buy more ranches out there for the past 2-3 years. Their realtor is actually a ranch manager for a huge place and also owns a ton of land of his own. This guy gets text updates from ODFW when collard wolves are in his area/properties. I believe multiple texts a day at times. I cant remember the exact number, but in 24hrs some of those wolves have moved off something like 50-100 miles from where they were on his property. So got to hope these ones are doing the same and only in a northerly direction.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Here’s an article about what happens to a CPW employee who doesn’t fall in line with the wolves

Romatzke: 'I was treated like a criminal' during investigation

JT Romatzke, the former Colorado Parks and Wildlife Northwest regional manager transferred from that job after an internal investigation found he acted inappropriately in connection with the state’s work to

www.gjsentinel.com

Reminds me all to well about what happened in CA years ago....

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE87802G/

 

[blicero]

I saw a guy on twitter claiming they were tracking them with collars and sattelites. Like they can see every move they make constantly. Cpw even says the wolves are rough on their collars, meaning they could tear them off and ditch them.

All the wolves are collared. There are satellite collars which, much like a Garmin inReach or a SpotX, can send a GPS coordinate on a regular (daily, hourly) interval via satellite. There are also just regular radio collars which can be picked up by aerial flyovers. Not sure which type of collar the new wolves have, but they will be tracked.

 

[UncleBone]

All the wolves are collared. There are satellite collars which, much like a Garmin inReach or a SpotX, can send a GPS coordinate on a regular (daily, hourly) interval via satellite. There are also just regular radio collars which can be picked up by aerial flyovers. Not sure which type of collar the new wolves have, but they will be tracked.

This guy was basically saying they will be watching them with satellites with cameras on them. Like they will be under constant video surveilance.

 

[UncleBone]

I’m sure they are, but think about it. There’s an internal battery that’s not getting charged. If that thing was sending signals out every 5-10 minutes it’d be dead in days.


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Yah, for sure. He was trying to make it sound like theyll be on a satellite video feed constantly.

 

[doc holiday13]

Without your cell phone on you.

you'd need to be driving a vehicle from the early 90's too all these new vehicles have tracking in them. its active despite what the manufacturer tells you

 

[doc holiday13]

Oh… and in a recent article I read, they said that Coloradans valued the reintroduction of wolves at $100 million a year if need be… this is costing the taxpayers so much money.

Its very interesting you bring this up.. I was listening to a podcast about CO SAR members being mostly volunteer and have no reimbursements for anything. The person went on to say how they were trying to raise funding and what not. CO needs to do the same thing that VA does for people accessing public land. IF you do not have an active hunting license then you need to have an access permit. That would generate sooo much funding for this sort of stuff( IF thats what they really want)

 

[Flyjunky]

I’m sure they are, but think about it. There’s an internal battery that’s not getting charged. If that thing was sending signals out every 5-10 minutes it’d be dead in days.


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I’m sure they aren’t sending constant signals but those collars will send a signal if the animal hasn’t moved for a certain period. One article I read said something along the lines of the collar sending an immediate signal if the collar senses the animal has died. I don’t know how it would sense that other than movement but who knows nowadays.

 

[Hnthrdr]

delisted east of 395

Delisted, but can they be hunted or are they “non game”

 

[Flyjunky]

Delisted, but can they be hunted or are they “non game”

Can’t be hunted, even though they’re delisted, they now fall under Oregons wolf plan.

Here’s another little tidbit for Oregon, possibly the same in Colorado, the vast majority of the funding for wolf management come from Pittman-Robertson. Isn’t that awesome, hunters and shooters are funding the very program that reduces our herd numbers.

 

[deltadukman]

Pure F'ing lunacy! There is nothing remotely truthful in that buzzword salad, but to the ignorant and uneducated she sounds smart.

— Joanna Lambert, professor of wildlife ecology and conservation biology at the University of Colorado at Boulder.


“This is a moment of rewilding,” she said. “Of doing something to stave off the biodiversity extinction crisis we are living in … to make a difference in this era of extinction. And moreover, this is a source of hope not only for all of us standing here but for our younger generations as well.”

Lambert said she lost her breath when she saw the wolves gallop into the woods. For years, Lambert and wolf advocates have been working to get wolf “paws on the ground” and she felt herself gasp when “all the sudden, it happened.”

“It was exquisite in every way,” she said.

 

[Flyjunky]

Pure F'ing lunacy! There is nothing remotely truthful in that buzzword salad, but to the ignorant and uneducated she sounds smart.

— Joanna Lambert, professor of wildlife ecology and conservation biology at the University of Colorado at Boulder.


“This is a moment of rewilding,” she said. “Of doing something to stave off the biodiversity extinction crisis we are living in … to make a difference in this era of extinction. And moreover, this is a source of hope not only for all of us standing here but for our younger generations as well.”

Lambert said she lost her breath when she saw the wolves gallop into the woods. For years, Lambert and wolf advocates have been working to get wolf “paws on the ground” and she felt herself gasp when “all the sudden, it happened.”

“It was exquisite in every way,” she said.

Every time they say something like this or show cute furry wolf puppies to kids there needs to be a video of wolves tearing into a deer fawn or elk calf.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

This is the same state that is trying to ban Trump from the ballot. So full of Liberals they vote FOR wolves but AGAINST Trump running for President.

No surprise, wolves could eat their children and they would probably still want to release more because you know, kids emit greenhouse gases in the form of breathing and farting thus are contributing to global warming. Of course, Liberals breathing and farting do not matter because they are stopping Trump by any means necessary which makes them more virtuous and morally right than you wolf haters, so that offsets any negative gases they emit.

 

[Jbehredt]

Isn’t the OR wolf population still listed as endangered through the ESA? How do you have enough wolves to give them away from an endangered population? USFW cleared that?

Ends and means. They’d happy to break their own rules if it advances their agenda.

 

[Mountainrancher]

A couple things I think I can help clear up based on me living in the area, and attending every wolf meeting held since the beginning including the last one held in November to inform us about the final release plan.

1. Cpw did not pull a fast one with their release sight. There have been two reintroduction sights proposed since the early stages of the process. The “southern” sight in the gunnison area and the “northern” sight in the grand county area. In the November meeting held in kremmling we were informed that they would focus on the northern sight at first and move to the southern sight in the next few years. It was always said that the actual release date and sight would be confidential to protect not only the wolves but also the cpw staff involved in the release.

2. The release sight from Monday is absolutely in the radium state wildelife area. In the November meeting we were told that the area would be “in grand, routte, and Eagle counties on state or privately owned land”. From my knowledge of the area and others that I trust I believe it is the sheep horn unit but don’t know for sure.

3. This is not cpws fault. A lot of cpw employees didn’t want this to happen, some did. But no matter personal opinions they were legally required to perform the will of the voters of the state of Colorado and reintroduce wolves. This is going to be a disaster not only for us ranchers but also for hunters and any outdoor recreationalist in the state. The only way we can have any hope to survive this ordeal is to work WITH cpw not against them.

4. According to cpw all wolves will be fixed with gps collars. These collars will be set to transmit location every few hours and should have enough battery life to transmit for a few years. After the collars die, they will either attempt to re collar them or they will go without a working collar.

5. Cpw will be heavily monitoring for any illicit behavior towards these wolves and will be prosecuting anything to the fullest extent of the law. The only way to legally kill a wolf in Colorado is in the defense of a human or on wolves actively attacking or threatening livestock.

 

[Jbehredt]

Every time they say something like this or show cute furry wolf puppies to kids there needs to be a video of wolves tearing into a deer fawn or elk calf.

The moose ones get me. Those cows really put up a fight. Until their calf’s guts start to be pulled out.

 

[MallardSX2]

Can govt satellite cameras see in the dark? I doubt it.

I watched a video of a guy, with a thermal scope, kill a coyote in the pitch black at 400 yards.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just asking for the source. If it's internet sleuthing then fine. If it's an anonymous insider then fine.

I know. I would share a legit source of I could.