Colorado Lead-Free Pilot Program

[z987k]

And is that their policy or the law?

Fairly sure it's policy, but the range is right on a wetlands with lots of birds that is protected, so it's possible there's a regulation requiring that policy. I'm not sure. And it is government owned and operated. I've never seen anyone there on the shotgun range.
The next closest range has shotguns going all the time. Lead shells are fine there.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Yes. Look 7 posts up from yours on this same page.

Norma also makes the evostrike, which is similar to the DRT bullet but with tin instead of Tungsten. DRT also makes powdered copper instead of tungsten that's cheaper.
The BC's are horrific due to the density of tin being so low, but for close range work it wouldn't matter.

Must have missed them I’ll look at those yeah tungsten is probably the real answer too bad it’s so dang pricey

 

[displacedtexan]

I see you never answered either one of my questions, why?

Have raptor populations increased or decreased over the last 40 years? Do windmills or lead from big game bullets kill more birds?

Missed them...

They're up. But they're not worried about raptors in general, which are the ones that are up. They specifically mention eagles and condos. Eagles benefited from captive breeding programs and condos aren't up.

I've never seen real data on how many birds windmills kill, but the point they'll counter with is that because they're helping climate change they are a net positive for the planet and species.

And I'm not agreeing with either of the above.

I'm saying if we're going to hold their feet to the fire demanding good science and accurate statements, we need to do the same.

 

[displacedtexan]

Fairly sure it's policy, but the range is right on a wetlands with lots of birds that is protected, so it's possible there's a regulation requiring that policy. I'm not sure. And it is government owned and operated. I've never seen anyone there on the shotgun range.
The next closest range has shotguns going all the time. Lead shells are fine there.

Yeah, that sucks.

Wetlands seem like an odd place to put a shotgun range!

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Yeah, that sucks.

Wetlands seem like an odd place to put a shotgun range!

Ranges are often on or near otherwise marginal real estate. My public range in Delaware was surrounded by wetlands. Because that made sense from a land use perspective a hundred years ago.


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[Smithb9841]

It's not what we're talking about here...

Why do so many gun guys love straw man arguments?

You are the one that said it was hyperbole and isn’t happening then when you get corrected and someone shows that it’s been tried you act like that’s not where the conversation shifted. That might not have been what the conversation started at but that’s what you responded to.

It’s not a straw man argument when there has been a bill introduced to do that.. also if you want to see what laws are going to be passed or attempted in states like Colorado that are shifting left, look at what California has done in the past.

 

[displacedtexan]

That's not

You are the one that said it was hyperbole and isn’t happening then when you get corrected and someone shows that it’s been tried you act like that’s not where the conversation shifted. That might not have been what the conversation started at but that’s what you responded to.

It’s not a straw man argument when there has been a bill introduced to do that.. also if you want to see what laws are going to be passed or attempted in states like Colorado that are shifting left, look at what California has done in the past.

That's not what THIS bill is.

Let's face it, most people don't care much one way or the other. My mother probably doesn't even know what bullets are made of. People like her are who you're trying to convince and sway.

If they're saying "let's possibly regulate lead for hunting because of health issues in wildlife/people" and your response is "banning lead bullets for hunting is going to lead to banning all lead bullets and make shooting too expensive and a gun ban!" who do you think people in the middle will find more reasonable?

 

[Oldffemt]

They're not trying to ban lead for target shooting.

Hyperbole doesn't lend credibility to your argument.

They’re not trying to ban lead for target shooting, YET. You’re working awfully hard to get your head in the sand. I can only assume that you just like to argue. It’s been stated multiple times that non-lead hunting ammo is step one. We’ve seen in Cali where that actually leads. CO is doing their best to become Cali, especially with the invasion we’re seeing currently. Habitat loss and windmills are and always will be far more disruptive to wildlife than any amount of lead ammo being used. Yet we still can’t get second and third homes and wind farms built fast enough. Eagles and all other wildlife can eff off from those areas I guess. We’ve been boned enough by Pollis (the irony) that nobody with any sort of grasp on reality should ever trust him or his policies again. See the copper creek wolf introduction for an example. Dig in, read and understand how it went down from the beginning to the current and tell me why we should trust anything that comes out of CO state government going forward.

 

[Smithb9841]

That's not

That's not what THIS bill is.

Let's face it, most people don't care much one way or the other. My mother probably doesn't even know what bullets are made of. People like her are who you're trying to convince and sway.

If they're saying "let's possibly regulate lead for hunting because of health issues in wildlife/people" and your response is "banning lead bullets for hunting is going to lead to banning all lead bullets and make shooting too expensive and a gun ban!" who do you think people in the middle will find more reasonable?

This isn’t even a bill! This is a voluntary program.

That’s where this started then the conversation shifted. If you are really interested in this, research how lead was banned in California it started with 1 area for condors and the condor range, then after 10 years it became the entire state.. this shows this shit happens in stages and no
Matter how much you give to
Anti hunting and anti gun groups they don’t stop they find a new agenda to push the next year. Which in 2021 the bill I referenced was introduced to try to ban lead from all ranges in California I guarantee you it will be introduced again within a couple years.

 

[wind gypsy]

This thread just makes me think of Rational_redneck’s war on bald eagles

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I don’t want to harm any of em with lead but hell if we need a bunch more.