Colorado imminent domain for wolves

[Rado]

An important note, this guy is not a commissioner.

https://cpw.state.co.us/committees/colorado-parks-and-wildlife-commission

 

[Hnthrdr]

An important note, this guy is not a commissioner.

https://cpw.state.co.us/committees/colorado-parks-and-wildlife-commission

Correct

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

An important note, this guy is not a commissioner.

https://cpw.state.co.us/committees/colorado-parks-and-wildlife-commission

What role does he have? It wasn't a town hall or such.

 

[Hnthrdr]

What role does he have? It wasn't a town hall or such.

On the board of a rewilding org which many of the commissioners have been on in the past I’m sure connected to Marlon no doubt

 

[Crowmangler]

This statement is just as absurd as a commissioner suggesting to buy private ranchland.

I'm not the one you'll have to take this up with

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

On the board of a rewilding org which many of the commissioners have been on in the past I’m sure connected to Marlon no doubt

Why was he in that meeting though was my question? It didn't appear to be a town hall.

 

[Rado]

What role does he have? It wasn't a town hall or such.

He is an outspoken wolf advocate, but his role in the meeting is private citizen. His comments came in an open forum, public comment section of the commission meeting.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Sooo this was the plan all along.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Why was he in that meeting though was my question? It didn't appear to be a town hall.

I believe it was an open meeting, I think and I might be wrong it was mid week/ mid day in Durango or something

 

[Hnthrdr]

Sooo this was the plan all along.

Of course it was, they would like to turn the west into one giant nature preserve that you can never step foot on…

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Oh was there an audience off camera to the left or something and that left table is where folks came up one at a time to speak? The table structure threw me off like it wasn't an open meeting.

 

[Rado]

Oh was there an audience off camera to the left or something and that left table is where folks came up one at a time to speak? The table structure threw me off like it wasn't an open meeting.

There is always an open forum at the end of commission meetings, though I do believe you must sign up to get a chance to speak. In the meeting discussed above, the open forum lasted for over an hour. Anyone can sign up and get 2 minutes in front of the commission, even random out of staters. Prior to the last election, the group behind the mountain lion hunting ban brought in a ton of private citizens from other states to speak for the ban.

 

[BowBaboon]

Had a neighbor running cattle on FS. Lost 34 head on one unit and 19 head on the one nearest me. Dept of Ag killed 11 of the 12 wolves and elk hunting has improved greatly. Indirectly the grazing has solved some wolf issues in Montana. USFWS needs to be greatly modified or elimonated. Maybe then grizzly bears would quit migrating into areas where no habitat exists.

I'm curious if you have any proof to back this up. What unit? Over how many months? How are we sure there were only 12 wolves and wolves were the only issue? Looks like you're in Montana; Montana sure has a lot of grizzly bears.

When you say elk hunting has greatly improved how can you "prove" the quality of hunting improved and it wasn't just that you were stumbling into more elk that year?

How does USFWS being modified or eliminated make grizzlies stop moving into areas without habitat? What determines there being no habitat? Grizzly bears traditionally lived in areas as far south as Mexico. I bet there wasn't any "habitat" there.

Even the federal register tells us that USFWS is the only agency to conserve and manage wild game. Without them there's a good chance that states would privatize the take of wild game and regular 'ol peasants such as you and I wouldn't be able to hunt for the price of a $42.00 tag...

Edit: I just want to make it clear that I am not advocating for the reintroduction of wolves. I am simply bringing forward the point that unfounded claims do nothing in these arguments and your "feelings" mean nothing without something to back them up.

 

[Levy_ken]

Ahh yes, the only solution to the problem we just caused is to further encroach on the rights of our citizens. Convenient.

 

[Pony Soldier]

Area 318. I have a ranch in the middle of it. I see the calf crop every year and I hunt every day of the season on horseback.

I met the dept ag hunter a number of years ago and had very informative dicussion.

A number of friends of mine caught the USFWS planting a grizzly a number of years ago that they denied when cornered a week later just like they did when they planted wolves next to my place a number of years ago. When every drainage gets 5 wolves within two weeks - it ain't natural migration. Thank god for the ranchers that killed them on their calving grounds.

My first degree was in wildlife management and I haven't seen anything like that in the last 50 years. More like bucket biology.

 

[mt terry d]

If we actually were Public landowners we'd have fired the USFWS, USFS and MTFWP
decades ago.
And I bet we'd have more wildlife, better hunting and lots less forest fires.
But we obviously are not.

 

[roadrunner]

Don't know why everyone is complaining. Everyone is going to comply because that's what good little law abiding citizens do....

 

[Marble]

Sooo this was the plan all along.

I'm sure you know this. But everything they do is purposeful. It all surrounds an end goal. Anything they do that is related to an issue we (conservatives/hunters) are involved in, ultimately heads directly towards an outright ban. Some of my buddies do not believe me, but I firmly believe it.

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[Pacific_Fork]

Area 318. I have a ranch in the middle of it. I see the calf crop every year and I hunt every day of the season on horseback.

I met the dept ag hunter a number of years ago and had very informative dicussion.

A number of friends of mine caught the USFWS planting a grizzly a number of years ago that they denied when cornered a week later just like they did when they planted wolves next to my place a number of years ago. When every drainage gets 5 wolves within two weeks - it ain't natural migration. Thank god for the ranchers that killed them on their calving grounds.

My first degree was in wildlife management and I haven't seen anything like that in the last 50 years. More like bucket biology.

This right here is all the proof one needs.

There’s a lot of good science in wildlife management, except when it comes to wolves and G bears in the west in some cases. One has to sift through biologist forced agendas and ranchers anecdotes to find the truth.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

I posted this in one of the other post on this subject but it bears repeating. Glenn Parton is from a NGO “The Rewilding Institute”. But before you cast his comments aside as just the views of one individual from some extreme environmental org, I would point out that the Rewilding Institute has significant political influence in Colorado. Current Director of the State Land Board, Nicole Rosmarino, was a longtime board member at The Rewilding Institute. Current CPW Commissioners, Chairman Rich Reading, Jay Tutchton, Dr. John Emerick, and likely many others are all closely linked to the Rewilding Institute. Polis’ admin has had one single goal with the CPW Commission, shift the makeup of the commission toward Rewilding and coexistence, while diminishing any conservation or consumptive use, ie hunting and agriculture.

This is one more reason why it is important for the sporting community to show and speak at these meetings.