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I just wanted to get it out there what the projections will be for point leap under point banking if it is reinstated in Colorado. For you that dont know Colorado is taking public comment on if it would be a good idea to bring back point banking. After looking at some projections it is something that you may want to provide your comment on.
If you have a ton of points you may get in 2 hunts instead of one as you could spend the number of points needed to draw +1 and keep the rest of your points. Now lets explore this a bit deeper.
Now if you dont have points and point banking is reinstated you will have NO CHANCE what so ever of drawing a current 1-6 point unit over the next 5 years... Why? Because point leap will happen or projections are for every unit to take 2-3 more points to draw if reinstated in 2015 that it will in 2014. There are that many points in the system.
By my count if you add in the extra 3 points it will take to draw at least 15 deer units will go at the next 5 year cycle to the 20% non res 80% res split.
So many points will be ADDED every year that this jump will be permanent and the unit you used to draw with 2 points will jump up to 5 and stay there or possible go higher..
For high point holders looking at multiple hunts for thier points think about this. If you have 11 points now and put in for a current 5 point unit well this unit will jump to 8 with banking +1 banking fee so now you will spend 9 points on a unit you could have drawn in 2014 with 5.. Leaving you with 2 and out of the game for the rest of the next 5 year structure.
Below are some numbers from another forum of what will happen to archery elk. The same will happen to deer.
If point banking were in effect in 2013 in Colorado for Archery Elk:
501 resident archers would have a total of 863 more points for the 2014 drawing.
267 nonresident archers would have a total of 596 more points for the 2014 drawing.
Leaving that many points in the point pool each year is the definition of point creep. This is in addition to hunters changing their plans to take advantage of point banking.
I am against point baking. Here is my analysis:
After the 2013 Archery elk drawing (if point banking were allowed)
346 more resident archery elk hunters would have 1 point for the 2014 drawing.
92 more resident archery elk hunters would have 2 points
35 more resident archery elk hunters would have 3 points
18 more resident archery elk hunters would have 4 points
12 more resident archery elk hunters would have 5 points
3 more resident archery elk hunters would have 6 points
3 more resident archery elk hunters would have 7 points
5 more resident archery elk hunters would have 8 points
2 more resident archery elk hunters would have 9 points
1 more resident archery elk hunter would have 10 points
137 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 1 point for the 2014 drawing.
54 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 2 points
25 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 3 points
19 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 4 points
14 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 5 points
9 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 6 points
2 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 7 points
4 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 8 points
1 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 9 points
1 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 10 points
1 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 11 points
This data was collected from 2013ElkHuntRecap and 2013ElkDrawSummary from the 37 archery elk drawing units.
I counted the number of points over the number required to guarantee a drawn tag.
For example EE004O1A required 1 point to GUARANTEE a resident one of the 293 tags. Most hunters drew with 0 points.
23 hunters applied for EE004O1a with 2 points, so they would have 1 point after a point banking drawing.
5 hunters applied for EE004O1a with 3 points, so they would have 2 points after a point banking drawing.
1 hunter applied for EE004O1a with 7 points, so they would have 6 points after a point banking drawing.
There are also 372 drawings for Bull or either sex elk rifle or muzzleloader tags which may multiply these numbers by 10.
How many rifle or muzzleloader hunters may switch to archery to take advantage of point banking?
How many of the 67,668 hunters collecting points (EP-999-99-P) will start applying for the hunt you want?
The point creep that will be caused by point banking is permanent. The hunters who would have drawn without point banking now have 1 more point
Again dont doubt that unless you have majior points banked that you will have ZERO chance at drawing a tag DURING THE ENTIRE NEXT 5 YEAR STRUCTURE in a 1-8 point unit in Colorado if point banking comes back.
Finally as hunting high country bucks has become the fastest growing "hunt" in colorado and in turn more points will be spent on the early season mule deer hunts or the projected leap in these units and high country tags will jump by 4-6 points in one year..
If you have a ton of points you may get in 2 hunts instead of one as you could spend the number of points needed to draw +1 and keep the rest of your points. Now lets explore this a bit deeper.
Now if you dont have points and point banking is reinstated you will have NO CHANCE what so ever of drawing a current 1-6 point unit over the next 5 years... Why? Because point leap will happen or projections are for every unit to take 2-3 more points to draw if reinstated in 2015 that it will in 2014. There are that many points in the system.
By my count if you add in the extra 3 points it will take to draw at least 15 deer units will go at the next 5 year cycle to the 20% non res 80% res split.
So many points will be ADDED every year that this jump will be permanent and the unit you used to draw with 2 points will jump up to 5 and stay there or possible go higher..
For high point holders looking at multiple hunts for thier points think about this. If you have 11 points now and put in for a current 5 point unit well this unit will jump to 8 with banking +1 banking fee so now you will spend 9 points on a unit you could have drawn in 2014 with 5.. Leaving you with 2 and out of the game for the rest of the next 5 year structure.
Below are some numbers from another forum of what will happen to archery elk. The same will happen to deer.
If point banking were in effect in 2013 in Colorado for Archery Elk:
501 resident archers would have a total of 863 more points for the 2014 drawing.
267 nonresident archers would have a total of 596 more points for the 2014 drawing.
Leaving that many points in the point pool each year is the definition of point creep. This is in addition to hunters changing their plans to take advantage of point banking.
I am against point baking. Here is my analysis:
After the 2013 Archery elk drawing (if point banking were allowed)
346 more resident archery elk hunters would have 1 point for the 2014 drawing.
92 more resident archery elk hunters would have 2 points
35 more resident archery elk hunters would have 3 points
18 more resident archery elk hunters would have 4 points
12 more resident archery elk hunters would have 5 points
3 more resident archery elk hunters would have 6 points
3 more resident archery elk hunters would have 7 points
5 more resident archery elk hunters would have 8 points
2 more resident archery elk hunters would have 9 points
1 more resident archery elk hunter would have 10 points
137 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 1 point for the 2014 drawing.
54 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 2 points
25 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 3 points
19 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 4 points
14 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 5 points
9 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 6 points
2 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 7 points
4 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 8 points
1 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 9 points
1 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 10 points
1 more nonresident archery elk hunters would have 11 points
This data was collected from 2013ElkHuntRecap and 2013ElkDrawSummary from the 37 archery elk drawing units.
I counted the number of points over the number required to guarantee a drawn tag.
For example EE004O1A required 1 point to GUARANTEE a resident one of the 293 tags. Most hunters drew with 0 points.
23 hunters applied for EE004O1a with 2 points, so they would have 1 point after a point banking drawing.
5 hunters applied for EE004O1a with 3 points, so they would have 2 points after a point banking drawing.
1 hunter applied for EE004O1a with 7 points, so they would have 6 points after a point banking drawing.
There are also 372 drawings for Bull or either sex elk rifle or muzzleloader tags which may multiply these numbers by 10.
How many rifle or muzzleloader hunters may switch to archery to take advantage of point banking?
How many of the 67,668 hunters collecting points (EP-999-99-P) will start applying for the hunt you want?
The point creep that will be caused by point banking is permanent. The hunters who would have drawn without point banking now have 1 more point
Again dont doubt that unless you have majior points banked that you will have ZERO chance at drawing a tag DURING THE ENTIRE NEXT 5 YEAR STRUCTURE in a 1-8 point unit in Colorado if point banking comes back.
Finally as hunting high country bucks has become the fastest growing "hunt" in colorado and in turn more points will be spent on the early season mule deer hunts or the projected leap in these units and high country tags will jump by 4-6 points in one year..
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