CO OTC- going away?

[Idaboy]

Some of this was already known.....40 minute mark discussing that OTC archery elk could go away in 2025.

 

[bozeman]

It will........bank on it.

 

[gabenzeke]

I'm good with it. As long as a guy can buy points in a few states and have reasonable assurance they'll get a tag most years, I think it makes sense. I'd also hope the hunting is better, but that remains to be seen.

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[OXN939]

It was a cool revenue generation tool for CPW for the last few years, but didn't take a rocket scientist to have seen the writing on the wall. Anyone think there are going to be NR OTC tags anywhere out west 20 years from now for deer, elk or antelope?

 

[Ucsdryder]

For archery yes. But apparently they want a full swarm of the pumpkin army.

Rumor has it that if they smell an archery hunter they’ll stop breeding and head for private, but the barrage of gunshots don’t bother them!

 

[Maverick1]

Which is better/worse?

Threads about CO OTC?
Threads about WY and 90/10?
Threads about WY wilderness areas and NRs?
Threads about “which unit”?
Threads about “not looking for your honey hole”?
Threads about wolves?

Hmmmm? Decisions decisions. No worries, all can be solved by starting a thread. Maybe you should start a thread, “which is worse?” Or “worst threads”? @cnelk
- an idea for you……

 

[Idaboy]

Hopefully they phase in, make OTC go away for NR, and allow some resident OTC or something

 

[Idaboy]

Which is better/worse?

Threads about CO OTC?
Threads about WY and 90/10?
Threads about WY wilderness areas and NRs?
Threads about “which unit”?
Threads about “not looking for your honey hole”?
Threads about wolves?

Hmmmm? Decisions decisions. No worries, all can be solved by starting a thread. Maybe you should start a thread, “which is worse?” Or “worst threads”? @cnelk
- an idea for you……

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Wasn't trying to solve any problems, I wasn't aware it was in the works.....it seems something should be considered to reduce pressure. I do find it interesting these states don't seem to collaborate more on whats working vs what fell apart despite best intentions.

 

[roadrunner]

Anyone think there are going to be NR OTC tags anywhere out west 20 years from now for deer, elk or antelope?

Nope. For residents either.

 

[Idaboy]

Nope. For residents either.

Agree, the trend is disheartening.

 

[RojoGrande]

Listened to the podcast. One of the CPW folks mentioned the perception of archery being over-crowded is the expectation that you should see less people in the back country during archery seasons vs rifle.

I think the perception that there are more archery hunters is the rapid growth of archery hunting since 2002, nearly doubled in the past 20 years, although only a 6% increase since 2009. An interesting data point is that since 2014 resident OTC archery tag sales have gone down by 20% and non-resident tag sales have increased by 28%.
https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Commission/2023/August/Item.23ppt-Siegfried.pdf
If you look at the data from CPW, since 2009 and more recently, the numbers for rifle hunters have been increasing +10% (see link from CPW). Additionally, the overall total number of rifle hunters exceeds the total number of archery hunters by 61+% from the most recent data point.

CPW has been chipping away at OTC archery units over the past several years. First in the southwest units but also in making some units OTC on private land only. This further compressed hunters into the OTC archery units that were left. This years, a number of units in the northwest part of the state also went to draw or OTC on private land. Making archery units OTC will also bring the 75/25 split of res to non-res into play and will potentially spread hunters back out. For the units in the southwest part of the state, CPW set quotas high enough that drawing these units wasn't an issue. Some areas could be had as a second choice or went to left over.

 

[Idaboy]

Listened to the podcast. One of the CPW folks mentioned the perception of archery being over-crowded is the expectation that you should see less people in the back country during archery seasons vs rifle.

I think the perception that there are more archery hunters is the rapid growth of archery hunting since 2002, nearly doubled in the past 20 years, although only a 6% increase since 2009. An interesting data point is that since 2014 resident OTC archery tag sales have gone down by 20% and non-resident tag sales have increased by 28%.
https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Commission/2023/August/Item.23ppt-Siegfried.pdf
If you look at the data from CPW, since 2009 and more recently, the numbers for rifle hunters have been increasing +10% (see link from CPW). Additionally, the overall total number of rifle hunters exceeds the total number of archery hunters by 61+% from the most recent data point.

CPW has been chipping away at OTC archery units over the past several years. First in the southwest units but also in making some units OTC on private land only. This further compressed hunters into the OTC archery units that were left. This years, a number of units in the northwest part of the state also went to draw or OTC on private land. Making archery units OTC will also bring the 75/25 split of res to non-res into play and will potentially spread hunters back out. For the units in the southwest part of the state, CPW set quotas high enough that drawing these units wasn't an issue. Some areas could be had as a second choice or went to left over.

Great points
It seems a lot of western states would like to blame crowding on Nonresidents, when it seems it's that more people have moved to western states and a certain % then hunt

 

[CJ19]

Amazing. I can click directly from the "we need to run off NRs" thread to the threads where Colorado residents and residents from other western states are begging for my help in the form of money and support to fight antihunters on commissions and mountain lion hunting bans.

 

[browning2480]

The unit we muzzleloader hunt went draw for archery last year. Funny thing is there were hundreds of leftover tags and you could get one in the secondary draw no problem. Not sure what the point was other than to say it was draw now and not OTC.

 

[sndmn11]

The unit we muzzleloader hunt went draw for archery last year. Funny thing is there were hundreds of leftover tags and you could get one in the secondary draw no problem. Not sure what the point was other than to say it was draw now and not OTC.

Knowing how many hunters are hunting, keeping those hunters in that unit, potentially "herd management", reducing hunter numbers in other units.


I think the changes proposed address a lot of the complaints people have been vocal about.

 

[Tru2life]

So are they just getting rid of the archery OTC tags?

 

[browning2480]

Knowing how many hunters are hunting, keeping those hunters in that unit, potentially "herd management", reducing hunter numbers in other units.


I think the changes proposed address a lot of the complaints people have been vocal about.

Possibly. Don’t matter to me either way as I don’t archery hunt. Just giving my perspective on a unit I was familiar with. Was talking to some archery hunters last year and just thought it was funny that they went draw and had several hundred tags leftover. But I can see them just trying to get their arms around Hunter numbers.

 

[Phaseolus]

The unit we muzzleloader hunt went draw for archery last year. Funny thing is there were hundreds of leftover tags and you could get one in the secondary draw no problem. Not sure what the point was other than to say it was draw now and not OTC.

Yup, way too many licenses for 421,41,and 42 even though it was “Draw” only

 

[Hnthrdr]

Which is better/worse?

Threads about CO OTC?
Threads about WY and 90/10?
Threads about WY wilderness areas and NRs?
Threads about “which unit”?
Threads about “not looking for your honey hole”?
Threads about wolves?

Hmmmm? Decisions decisions. No worries, all can be solved by starting a thread. Maybe you should start a thread, “which is worse?” Or “worst threads”? @cnelk
- an idea for you……

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Wait are they cutting tags in the land of make believe?! No more 30 point bucks?! Ahhh

 

[Hnthrdr]

Let’s place blame where blame belongs! Squarely on the shoulders of Al Gore who created the internet!