Cliff Grays Podcast with Aaron Davidson

[Jhconnected]

Most of those GW clients probably take the class as well because they know they need skills they don’t have and taking a class and paying someone to teach you also accelerates the learning curve.

If the alternative is untold hours at the range, reading of forums and watching of videos trying to emulate what you learned, failing at the range, huge cost of ammo, all the time involved, lots of frustration…the Gunwerks course starts looking pretty cost effective and fun.

Instead, take the course, pay someone upfront to teach you the skills, practice what you learned, and go hunt.

 

[Kimber7man]

I might actually listen to a podcast, thanks for sharing. 6 hour drive tomorrow and I’m curious.

I will say this, based on the posts I saw in the Rokstok thread…

I don’t know if this was actually stated, and in what context, but, a higher failure rate of Nightforce scopes compared to Leupold, completely contradicts what is seen in the field in rifles that actually get used. To the tune of hundreds of samples of each that I’ve personally seen/held/shot/diagnosed etc.

I am the furthest thing from a Nightforce fan. They don’t make a single scope with a reticle that I want to hunt with. I also no longer even own a single NF scope. But to compare their field reliability directly against Leupold, and claim the Leupold is more reliable, is flat out not what happens with guns that actually used in the field.

I’m sure the claim above was stated in a different context with a different methodology? Because making that claim on hard use hunting guns just doesn’t add up to match real life; at least in what I’ve seen. And maybe I just haven’t seen “enough” yet?

I’m late on this, but perhaps he’s only compared the Mark 5 to many NF scopes? But who knows.

The one thing to remember: Aaron saying Leupolds fail less than NF comes from his lab testing. It’s weird that in real life, many guys here have had issues with Leupold and others, that went away when they chose a scope that passed the drop eval. Think about that.

IIRC he switched from NF to the Leupold Mark 5. If the comparison is only to THAT Leupold model, he’s probably got data to back up his statement.

 

[Kimber7man]

Listened to the Rokcast with Aaron D on the way home from a hunt last weekend. I find Aaron's responses particularly refreshing in a world of PC and Corporatized non-answers.

The "cheek weld" conversation was great and I get annoyed by added weight for adj cheep pieces too (seekins gen 3, looking at you).

I'm still not a fan of the marketing that leads to people thinking they bought competence while having no idea of their odds at hitting a target at extended distances.

22 Creedmoor and other significantly overbore cartridge talk was of interest too. Seems to align with my admittedly very small sample size of the more modest cartridges being more predictable/consistent.

Disregard, I found it. Thx.

 

[JDMBEND]

Regarding Aaron and Gunwerks, I am guilty of “contempt prior to investigation “. Initially I thought he was a arrogant d-bag that marketed wildly overpriced rifles and equipment to stupid rich guys. I almost didn’t listen to Cliff’s, then Ryan’s podcast with him.
I found both podcasts very informative and entertaining. My opinion of Gunwerks and Aaron has done a complete 180 turn. To me he came across intelligent, articulate and very knowledgeable regarding business and the firearms industry. While we don’t agree on everything, I liked what he had to say. So much so, that in the future, I would absolutely do business with Gunweks.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I’m late on this, but perhaps he’s only compared the Mark 5 to many NF scopes? But who knows.

IIRC he switched from NF to the Leupold Mark 5. If the comparison is only to THAT Leupold model, he’s probably got data to back up his statement.

Are you trying to say that the Mark 5 is as reliable or more reliable optics than NF? Because that’s the opposite of what has been observed.

 

[JohnJohnson]

IIRC he switched from NF to the Leupold Mark 5. If the comparison is only to THAT Leupold model, he’s probably got data to back up his statement.

I guess it all depends on the mode of failure. If it's loss of zero then I flat out don't believe him. If it's some other scope issue (turrets, parallax, or illumination breaking) I'd entertain the conversation at least.