Cliff Gray interview of Tim Sundles

[streamerfish]

I mean his 6.5 creedmoor rant was pretty funny. Sure I agree that Hornady are great at marketing, but saying that the cartridge is a fraud and people were just being deceived is pretty funny.

I didn't listen to every minute of it, I've heard lots of smug idiots spouting the same crap when it comes the caliber stuff, big bullet, big caliber, stupid shooting angles blah blah blah. I think at this point its just willful ignorance. I know I'm wrong but i will never admit it type of stuff because I built my brand on X thought process.

The wolf stuff, elk numbers, hunting and anti hunting stuff....Yeah, that discussion, I would like to say its a conspiracy theory what he says. But frankly, I'm not sure that he is wrong. He may very well be right. It's very clear and obvious that a growing and very loud portion of people want guns to be gone, and hunting to be gone. So yeah, maybe.

 

[streamerfish]

I joined this forum expressly to comment on this thread.

I live in an area that has a lot of elk and therefore elk hunters. I take several hunters every year. I have friends that are guides.

Most of the elk that get killed, bows and guns alike are shot bad. I have shot some bad. My guide buddies rarely tell stories of animals being killed well.

It seems to me that people who don’t have regular encounters w elk tend to screw it up.

If you aren’t a serious elk hunter on public, and don’t hunt a lot of days on private that hold elk, you are probably gonna screw up for a while.

My observation is if you don’t fall in to the above two categories. You got lucky, and are likely rushed. And they ain’t gonna be there tomorrow.

Ethics are the stories we tell ourselves before we pull up.

Maybe .416s are the way to go

All the other shit is just fun to listen to.

Welcome!

I would agree with you that most hunters are bad shots, especially with their hunting rifle, probably an overwhelming number. It would be interesting to see how many people shot more then 100 practice rounds a year with their big game hunting rifle.

Is it even 1%? Somehow I doubt it.

But, beyond even all the stuff here on this site. Theirs's actual studies and data from multiple sources and multiple government agencies, multiple countries etc that pretty conclusively show that the lower the rifle recoil, the more accurate the shooter. Especially over multiple shots.

And, beyond what is said here, plenty of data and studies out there that show that type of bullet matters much more then size of bullet when it comes to the ability to kill something as quickly as possible.

Doesn't mean that everyone has to shoot a 223 with a TMK, or shoot a TMK period as an example. (for myself there is definitely a point of too much tissue damage, especially on smaller animals).

But there isn't really a question of what kind of bullets "kill" best, its just a matter of what you want to use yourself and understanding what the bullet does or does not do. (and in the end it may or may not matter).

 

[huntnful]

I listened to it. Took it with a grain of salt for sure. Overall I think it was fine. Everyone has their own experiences and views. Never heard of him before listening to that podcast.

 

[Gourmet]

His point that states that are requiring no lead was to reduce hunting doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not like hunting is done by poor people. Most of the people it seems have lots of expensive toys. He's definitely in the camp of everyone is out to get hunters and people who have guns. Sure, there is some of that.

I agree with you. Him saying that that no one switched to non-lead bullets for environmental reasons, that it's only performance based, shows a lack of intellectual capacity.

 

[Telford29]

I listened to the whole thing at work today. The caliber talk and gut shooting segment was hard to get through. The rest of it was interesting. I am pretty sure Cliff knew what kind of response he was going to get here. Props to him for a good podcast. Looking forward to the next one.

 

[Live_weighT34]

I listened, it was entertaining. Might go elk hunting with a 416 now. (Im being facetious) but it would be cool to kill a 300” or bigger bull with a 416 Rigby