Cliff Gray interview of Tim Sundles

[cottonant]

Anybody watch this interview that hit YouTube yesterday? The wolf discussion portion was especially interesting to this east of the Mississippi River FNG.

 

[Tradchef]

I listened to it on the podcast player

 

[Coopsdaddy]

Different perspective for sure than what’s preached on here.
He thinks 6.5cm are trash.
He thinks 30/06 and larger are awesome.
He obviously knows a lot more than most but its a proven fact 6.5 cm kill as well as almost anything and so do 30/06.
I don’t buy his hype on the larger cartridges nor do i buy into all the new cartridges that everyone’s pushing.
I do wish cliff would have pushed him to explain why using smaller cartridges like then 223-6.5 and spotting your shots is not a good idea.
At the end of the day he’s trying to sell his product.

 

[justin davis]

Good podcast! Guy sounds awesome

 

[WyoWild]

Different perspective for sure than what’s preached on here.
He thinks 6.5cm are trash.
He thinks 30/06 and larger are awesome.
He obviously knows a lot more than most but its a proven fact 6.5 cm kill as well as almost anything and so do 30/06.
I don’t buy his hype all the larger cartridges nor do i buy into all the new cartridges that everyone’s pushing.
I do wish cliff would have pushed him to explain why using smaller cartridges like then 223-6.5 and spotting your shots is not a good idea.
At the end of the day he’s trying to sell his product.

Yeah and he advocated shooting running elk in the timber with 338/378 magnums as it "does not matter where you hit them" i.e. just hit them in the guts with a magnum and they wont go far vs having to shoot them in the lungs/heart with a smaller cartridge. Stated that even 7 Rem Mag is too small for elk and on and on...

 

[Xnoheros]

God he was a hard listen. I’m not stuck on small calibers for life, but blasting an elk in the ass and not caring seemed pretty cowboy

 

[grizz19]

I couldn’t even finish it. Guy lost me talking about shooting at running elk through the timber and a gut shot from a big caliber will kill just as fast as a lung shot from a small caliber.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

Yeah and he advocated shooting running elk in the timber with 338/378 magnums as it "does not matter where you hit them" i.e. just hit them in the guts with a magnum and they wont go far vs having to shoot them in the lungs/heart with a smaller cartridge. Stated that even 7 Rem Mag is too small for elk and on and on...

I definitely don’t like his perspective on that.
I’m not saying i wouldn’t but I dam sure dont plan on shooting any game up the ass.
I think cliff did more harm than good with his audience.
Dont interview like rogan does and just roll with it.
Push a guy a little.
He should have said **** that,i don’t advocate for Texas heart shots.

 

[Captains1911]

He can be hard to listen to, but he’s got some pretty crazy stories too. Check out the video from last year that he took just moments after he was unexpectedly charged by and killed a Cape buffalo. Crazy sh*t.

 

[bucksnbirds]

Personally think the guy is unethical, but has some luck on his side. Using a large caliber to purposely take unethical shots. I couldn't finish it.

 

[mt100gr.]

When is Tim going to be on with the S2H guys?

 

[cottonant]

The Canadian wolves and US Fish and Wildlife/Ed Bangs issues they discussed towards the end were the most intriguing to me.

A search stated “Ed Bangs, as the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s Western Wolf Recovery Coordinator, led the reintroduction of wolves in 1995–1996 to restore ecological balance, manage overpopulated elk, and fulfill Endangered Species Act requirements. This initiative aimed to restore the "natural predator" to its former habitat, improving ecosystem health.”

I’m thinking there sure could have been a lot of $$$ raised selling elk tags to hunters as a much more “humane” way of “managing overpopulated elk.” As for the “improving ecosystem health,” this is above my pay grade – but watching the alligator population get out of control in places over here leads me to question this as well.

 

[WoolOverAll]

I don't know guys, I'm starting to think these hunting influencers and marketers may not be the best place to get your ethics from. A lot of them just sound like salesmen spinning a tale to fit whatever thing they sell.

 

[7SAUM-J]

I tried to watch some of his youtube and they are all hard watches. He is very knowledgeable but comes off as extremely arrogant and closed minded.

 

[Quandary]

Everything I have seen and heard about Tim Sundles is that Tim Sundles is all about Tim Sundles and selling Buffalo Bore product. That said he makes some really potent 44 mag loads.....

 

[mt terry d]

First I've seen him
Not a fan, however regarding the snake Ed bangs, he's 100% spot on.

 

[7mm-08]

It's disappointing when people give self promoters like Mr. Sundles a forum to be heard. Dog trainers often handle bad behavior by ignoring it and that would be my suggestion with respect to this individual.

 

[WyldGoose]

I have to admit to laughing a few times. Mostly during the small/large caliber & recoil conversation, Tim said something about being unaffected by recoil and you could hit him in the shoulder with a sledge hammer and it would be no big deal, after a couple days he’d be fine.

I think he also referred to himself as the Christopher Columbus of the hunting world because he could see long before anyone else the problems with wolf introductions.

Some fellas talk about themselves in such a serious manner, but they come off extremely unserious. Kinda funny…

 

[jimh406]

It's his opinion based on his experience. Seems to be as valid as opinions here based on what they've seen.

His point that states that are requiring no lead was to reduce hunting doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not like hunting is done by poor people. Most of the people it seems have lots of expensive toys. He's definitely in the camp of everyone is out to get hunters and people who have guns. Sure, there is some of that.

I liked that Cliff let him talk about why he believed what he did. You can agree or disagree. I think the comparison of what happens with a bad shot vs good shot is pretty valid. Depending on the angle, the bullet can end up with the same impact.

None of the discussion is changing what I plan to do. Still, interesting to hear opinions even if I couldn't make it through all of it either.

 

[TRussellcp]

I joined this forum expressly to comment on this thread.

I live in an area that has a lot of elk and therefore elk hunters. I take several hunters every year. I have friends that are guides.

Most of the elk that get killed, bows and guns alike are shot bad. I have shot some bad. My guide buddies rarely tell stories of animals being killed well.

It seems to me that people who don’t have regular encounters w elk tend to screw it up.

If you aren’t a serious elk hunter on public, and don’t hunt a lot of days on private that hold elk, you are probably gonna screw up for a while.

My observation is if you don’t fall in to the above two categories. You got lucky, and are likely rushed. And they ain’t gonna be there tomorrow.

Ethics are the stories we tell ourselves before we pull up.

Maybe .416s are the way to go

All the other shit is just fun to listen to.