Cimmaron,Redcliffe or kifaru sawtooth

[NDarrough]

It seems like 4 and a stove starts to get really subjective on how close you are willing to be to your buddies. I know last year we had 5 of us packing in and I just brought my mtn smith and a small stove rather than feeling cramped with everyone else.

 

[DaveC]

Any reason to go with a tipi vs the Redcliffe pyramid. Planning for two guys with gear, and summer time flex up to 4 for the family.

A tipi is slightly stronger (circular footprint, more tieouts) than a Redcliff, but more 98% of users that is a distinction without a difference. The Redcliff is very strong, especially in wind.

As always, background makes a difference in assessing space. For folks used to backpacker standards, 4 and stove in the Redcliff is no problem.

 

[Felix40]

A tipi is slightly stronger (circular footprint, more tieouts) than a Redcliff, but more 98% of users that is a distinction without a difference. The Redcliff is very strong, especially in wind.

As always, background makes a difference in assessing space. For folks used to backpacker standards, 4 and stove in the Redcliff is no problem.

We just had a hell of a storm here yesterday (lots of down trees and the wind even blew my motorcycle over in the driveway) and I still had the redcliff up in the yard from seam sealing it. Seems to be no worse for the wear. Im ready to take it on a real trip.

 

[ben h]

For a size comparison I have a Seek Outside 6 man tipi and it's fine for 2 people, gear, stove and a small wood pile. There's no way I would do 3 people and a stove, but it would be doable without. With 4 people, I'd go with at least an 8 man, but personally, I like the 2 smaller shelters solution, that way if you go by yourself or with one other person, you're not packing around too much extra weight.

 

[ChrisS]

Two shelters.

"Two, possibly four people" typically ends up as just two people.

 

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[Tsnider]

i got a sawtooth and im pretty impressed with how big it is. with a stove 2 guys for sure, 3 would be pushing it as has been said.

4 with the rear pole delete mod, no stove and your not all 6+ foot tall would be doable. but it would be fairly tight. i was considering the redcliffe as well, but decided on the sawtooth because i became a kifaru snob after i bought my pack.

it will almost always be just me, or 1 other friend. if i happen to have 1 other dude come along he can cram in but ill encourage him to bring his own tent. 4 guys i wouldnt do for comfort reasons. if 4 guys are going up its probably easier to split weight between 2 guys anyway. im sure ill be in bigger groups at some point but the other guys can split weight between them. the sawtooth isnt bad weight wise, even with a titanium stove, for one guy to carry.

i think your better off doing multiple shelters. 4 guys could sit in a sawtooth and bullshit around the stove but not for sleep. im sure its been done, but it isnt happening in mine!

 

[Felix40]

I kinda thought I wouldn't like having everyone in one shelter as I like my alone time. We put three guys in an 8 man tipi for a week this year and I was surprised to find how much I enjoyed a group shelter. It's kinda nice to share/trade food aroud and talk about the day you had with everyone when you get back.

 

[pjhiker]

Enjoying this thread as I have been comparing these shelters as well.

 

[Shawn Hultquist]

I have a sawtooth and am running the smith 18 cylinder stove. I can tell for two hunters it was kinda cramped with all the gear inside so we pitched a tarp for packs and bows. I am honestly considering getting myself a redcliff just so I can have room. my partner is 6'4" and Im 6'0" both weightlifters so we kinda take up some space


Shawn

 

[Tex68w]

I have a sawtooth and am running the smith 18 cylinder stove. I can tell for two hunters it was kinda cramped with all the gear inside so we pitched a tarp for packs and bows. I am honestly considering getting myself a redcliff just so I can have room. my partner is 6'4" and Im 6'0" both weightlifters so we kinda take up some space


Shawn

Good to know as I am considering these three shelters for myself and a buddy. Unlike yourself, we aren't larger than average body builders so we should be able to get by in the Sawtooth.

 

[PhatSki]

This has been a great thread. Can any of you tell me if you notice a difference in the durability of the materials used by Kifaru versus Seek Outside tipis?? I am looking to purchase an 8 man tipi with stove and durability is more of an issue for me versus the weight of the shelter. I plan on using it during the winter months and snow load can become an issue.

 

[Felix40]

I read on a thread here that someone had a kifaru and a seek outside pitched side by side and the kifaru was more prone to stretching and sagging when wet. They all stretch when wet but I just remembered seeing that somewhere here. I have no real experience with any kifaru shelters though so that's probably not worth much.

 

[Tsnider]

kifaru has a video up somewhere of the types of silnylon used and theirs stretches the least at the seams. when it gets wet maybe it sags i havent experienced it yet. i just know they use the highest quality materials that can be found. not saying seek outside doesnt, not sure on that.

both have been used in Alaska in the worst conditions and both have held up from things ive read. so i think just get what you like.
i would be willing to bet however in windy situations the sawtooth would be the way to go.

 

[colonel00]

I read on a thread here that someone had a kifaru and a seek outside pitched side by side and the kifaru was more prone to stretching and sagging when wet. They all stretch when wet but I just remembered seeing that somewhere here. I have no real experience with any kifaru shelters though so that's probably not worth much.

Morning with just frozen frost, no rain...

After the sun came up

 

[reaper]

This has been a great thread. Can any of you tell me if you notice a difference in the durability of the materials used by Kifaru versus Seek Outside tipis?? I am looking to purchase an 8 man tipi with stove and durability is more of an issue for me versus the weight of the shelter. I plan on using it during the winter months and snow load can become an issue.

Own both and to me they are the same durability...i am from Quebec,Canada, got a lot of snow load,A LOT...both are just fine but not impress about the sawtooth snow load.What ever the shelter,a 2 doors shelter is the best for a lot of reasons.Sawtooth is nice for wind but one door sucks.



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[camping1601]

Morning with just frozen frost, no rain...

After the sun came up

My Redcliffe sags quiet a bit, but nothing like that.

 

[Tsnider]

i saw those photos on another thread and i thought people were saying theirs didnt do that as bad?
build a fire first thing in the morning and itll perk right up

 

[colonel00]

My Redcliffe sags quiet a bit, but nothing like that.

Yeah, some sag can be expected in cooler or wet weather. I was just very surprised in how the Sawtooth reacted. You can see the Cimarron in the background and it wasn't nearly as bad.

i saw those photos on another thread and i thought people were saying theirs didnt do that as bad?
build a fire first thing in the morning and itll perk right up

A fire might help but at that point but that's only A) if you have your stove which I had but didn't setup because it wasn't that cold and B) you want to start a fire every time it sags. The sagging wasn't the end of the world but it was a bit annoying There was a lot more noise from it flopping in the breeze and it would sag and fall in and touch me while I was sleeping. Again, not the biggest issue but that would be worse if there was condensation in there.

Other's did say that they didn't have that problem or not to that extent. Kinda makes me curious if I have a "lessor" material.