Chinese tipi tents (argali & peax?)

[huntingspice]

OP: Brad (Argali) has explained in the past why he gets his products from Vietnam. I can't find the exact post but it has to do with the lack of sewing manufacturing currently in the US. I think Seek does all their manufacturing in house. I am not saying I wouldn't prefer them to be USA made like Seek or Final Rise does but I also get it as someone who is very familiar with the Cut and sew manufacturing process.

Hmm, seems like a great business statement from Brad that I just can’t behind. Argali is based out of Boise, look at population comparatively to Heber City (Final Rise) and Grand Junction (Seek outside).

 

[huntingspice]

Tons of them, but most pertinent to this discussion...Argali doesnt

Argali also came in as an influencer, that’s how I discovered him. Watched a lot of videos of him when he first started posting, and also Brian call & Lampers..they were all rocking SO shelters. Just to make sure I’m not going crazy over here, here is Brad rocking a dst and a cimarron, two shelters that he copied to the T..

 

[Brad@Argali]

Argali also came in as an influencer, that’s how I discovered him. Watched a lot of videos of him when he first started posting, and also Brian call & Lampers..they were all rocking SO shelters. Just to make sure I’m not going crazy over here, here is Brad rocking a dst and a cimarron, two shelters that he copied to the T..

Hey Huntingspice,

I used to use SO shelters, a lot. I also used Black Diamond, MLD, MSR, Nemo, and a while bunch more. I started making tents because after using all of them, I wanted something different than anyone else was making because I didnt love any of them for the hubting I was doing, and I did. The Mid design wasnt invented by SO. the OG mid design is the BD MegaMid. Our Absaroka is a different size, fabric, strength and pitches differently due to the shape, material, paneling, How it packs, etc. The differences in tents are subtle, but important, and if you use them a lot you'll understand that. Particularly why polyester fabrics vs. nylon creates an entirely different shelter.

We started out as filmmakers. Then, as is the same now, I used what I thought was the best gear out there, and thats why we make the gear we do.

I think the real question here is what's your point with this whole thread? Pretty lofty accusations you throwing out while hiding behind a fake name. If you have a point, other than you're bitter about something, I'll give you my cell phone, and I'd be happy to talk to you.

-Brad

 

[whiskybiker]

I think the point is, like many other Americans. They are tired of seeing people just rip off someone's product and import cheap copies from over seas. Then sell at or above the made in the USA counterpart.

 

[bmart2622]

I think the point is, like many other Americans. They are tired of seeing people just rip off someone's product and import cheap copies from over seas. Then sell at or above the made in the USA counterpart.

If that's what his point is then, firstnof all he should speak for himself and say that and secondly, Brad, is the wrong guy to take issue with when it comes to copying or ripping off designs

 

[whiskybiker]

If that's what his point is then, firstnof all he should speak for himself and say that and secondly, Brad, is the wrong guy to take issue with when it comes to copying or ripping off designs

He's more then welcome to speak for himself. I was speaking for myself and if you read through this thread. That is what comes to mind as well.

Also, you can keep licking Brad's boots. He's still importing a copy of a product he used, made by cheap taken advantage of labor over seas. I'm not making up anything up "facts" I'm not a democrat!

 

[flyfisher117]

Argali also came in as an influencer, that’s how I discovered him. Watched a lot of videos of him when he first started posting, and also Brian call & Lampers..they were all rocking SO shelters. Just to make sure I’m not going crazy over here, here is Brad rocking a dst and a cimarron, two shelters that he copied to the T..

Unpopular opinion

Making hunting films or documenting your journeys doesn’t make you an influencer. An influencer is paid/sponsored to push gear and “influence” buyers/sales.

 

[bmart2622]

He's more then welcome to speak for himself. I was speaking for myself and if you read through this thread. That is what comes to mind as well.

Also, you can keep licking Brad's boots. He's still importing a copy of a product he used, made by cheap taken advantage of labor over seas. I'm not making up anything up "facts" I'm not a democrat!

You dont appear to be fully informed but thats ok. You can use whatever product you want and so can everyone else. Take a look at the Yukon from Argali and then look at the new prototype from SO and see if theres any similarities. Theres only so many different ways to do stuff but apparently companies changing materials, dimensions, setup, accessories isnt enough for some people. And for the record, I own 2 SO shelters and exactly 0 Argali shelters

 

[huntingspice]

Hey Huntingspice,

I used to use SO shelters, a lot. I also used Black Diamond, MLD, MSR, Nemo, and a while bunch more. I started making tents because after using all of them, I wanted something different than anyone else was making because I didnt love any of them for the hubting I was doing, and I did. The Mid design wasnt invented by SO. the OG mid design is the BD MegaMid. Our Absaroka is a different size, fabric, strength and pitches differently due to the shape, material, paneling, How it packs, etc. The differences in tents are subtle, but important, and if you use them a lot you'll understand that. Particularly why polyester fabrics vs. nylon creates an entirely different shelter.

We started out as filmmakers. Then, as is the same now, I used what I thought was the best gear out there, and thats why we make the gear we do.

I think the real question here is what's your point with this whole thread? Pretty lofty accusations you throwing out while hiding behind a fake name. If you have a point, other than you're bitter about something, I'll give you my cell phone, and I'd be happy to talk to you.

-Brad

I’m calling it as I see it! That’s all. I think the whole point of Rokslide is to form my own opinions and use my freedom of speech. Not really making any accusations. Just bringing things to light about Chinese made gear that is essentially copied from other brands.

 

[I'M A TERRIBLE SHOT]

This is an excellent video about why it's so hard to buy truly "American made" products and why it costs so much. Then you've also got the whole "Assembled in USA" deceptive practice. Regardless, it costs much more to produce and buy something that is 100% American made.

 

[Chad E]

Not really making any aquasition.

I think thats the issue. The passive aggressive, hide behind a fake name is weak. If you have a problem come out and say it don't dance around. I personally think your missing plenty of subtle differences in the products but that is again my opinion. I'll continue to spend my money with both argali and seek outside, you can vote with your dollar as well.

This issue comes up on rokslide frequently with all sorts of products. It usually devolves into an argument about who is the originator and "clearly everything that comes after cant be just a copy." Is every boot company copying the original? What about sleeping bags?

There is a difference between the original creator of a product ( not seek outside when it comes to tipis), a company who innovates within the same product space maybe with design changes and materials, and a company simply copying.

 

[atmat]

I have no dog in this fight.

But I do think the differences between quality sil-nylon and sil-poly are overstated. For 99% of users it’s irrelevant.

The guys at SO and Argali all seem like good dudes. I wouldn’t hesitate to support either.

Vietnam is better than China. But I did go with SO for the made in America component. I say that fully recognizing the irony that I’m typing this from my iPhone.

 

[alexnelon]

Unpopular opinion

Making hunting films or documenting your journeys doesn’t make you an influencer. An influencer is paid/sponsored to push gear and “influence” buyers/sales.

This is objective fact.

A bunch of us film hunts for personal use. A bunch of us review products we've bought.

"Influencing" starts when you either get products for free, get paid real money, get comped landowner tags, or other perks in exchange for using, reviewing, or advertising their products.

Brad was never an influencer. He's not even very good at marketing (no offense if you read this Brad, I'm sure you could market if you tried). He just made/makes hunting films and got into product design.

If anyone wants to rage against cheap Chinese products and influencing, Peax, Sig, and Ultraview are the brands to avoid.

 

[Brad@Argali]

I’m calling it as I see it! That’s all. I think the whole point of Rokslide is to form my own opinions and use my freedom of speech. Not really making any accusations. Just bringing things to light about Chinese made gear that is essentially copied from other brands.

You are making accusations, and still doing it behind a fake name. Youre saying we copied other people and make a cheap version. I hear exactly what you're saying buddy.

But you probably didn't think the guy you were talking smack about would respond to you directly. Do your homework before you start hurling accusations.

With your logic, there should never be any product besides the "original" product. What a lame take. Eureka was one of the OG backpack tent makers. they dont exist anymore because other brands innovated off of their designs and made better tents. I think innovation and entrepreneurs that have the guts to put their own money on the line to do it are one of the greatest things about America. And Im not talking about the hunting industry or my company specifically. Im talking about the mass of people that have an idea and pursue it. It's quite literally the backbone of our economy.

Did we innovate and make something different? Yes. Did we invent tents? No. Neither did SO, MSR, TarpTent, Hyperlight or any of the popular brands today. So, do you're homework next time, and if you want to talk sh*t, at least use your real name like a man. My offer stands if you want to have a real conversation ill give you my cell and we can talk like humans.

 

[Josh Boyd]

I’m calling it as I see it! That’s all. I think the whole point of Rokslide is to form my own opinions and use my freedom of speech. Not really making any accusations. Just bringing things to light about Chinese made gear that is essentially copied from other brands.

FYI, you are on a private forum and do not have "freedom of speech". Your comments are full of accusations and assumptions and can be removed at any time.

I've had the opportunity to extensively use and review shelters from Seek, Argali, and Peax over the years and they are very different. You need to pick a different topic to focus on.

 

[huntingspice]

You are making accusations, and still doing it behind a fake name. Youre saying we copied other people and make a cheap version. I hear exactly what you're saying buddy.

But you probably didn't think the guy you were talking smack about would respond to you directly. Do your homework before you start hurling accusations.

With your logic, there should never be any product besides the "original" product. What a lame take. Eureka was one of the OG backpack tent makers. they dont exist anymore because other brands innovated off of their designs and made better tents. I think innovation and entrepreneurs that have the guts to put their own money on the line to do it are one of the greatest things about America. And Im not talking about the hunting industry or my company specifically. Im talking about the mass of people that have an idea and pursue it. It's quite literally the backbone of our economy.

Did we innovate and make something different? Yes. Did we invent tents? No. Neither did SO, MSR, TarpTent, Hyperlight or any of the popular brands today. So, do you're homework next time, and if you want to talk sh*t, at least use your real name like a man. My offer stands if you want to have a real conversation ill give you my cell and we can talk like humans.

I’ll do my homework next time and post all my info for you. Once again, this is my opinion and how I see it, not going to falter from that.

 

[whiskybiker]

You dont appear to be fully informed but thats ok. You can use whatever product you want and so can everyone else. Take a look at the Yukon from Argali and then look at the new prototype from SO and see if theres any similarities. Theres only so many different ways to do stuff but apparently companies changing materials, dimensions, setup, accessories isnt enough for some people. And for the record, I own 2 SO shelters and exactly 0 Argali shelters

Look, I don't really care if you copy or "copy". But, some companies support our local communities and some just look to profit from them. Which do you prefer?

Personally, I try to favor companies that support us. I know that isn't always possible in this age in every avenue of life. But, the more we do it. Then more companies will see that investing in local communities pays off.

But, I guess I'm not informed enough to know Americans need American business's to keep money and jobs here.

 

[atmat]

I’ll do my homework next time and post all my info for you. Once again, this is my opinion and how I see it, not going to falter from that.

Your opinions are being presented as facts, though.

 

[Chad E]

Look, I don't really care if you copy or "copy". But, some companies support our local communities and some just look to profit from them. Which do you prefer?

Personally, I try to favor companies that support us.

At the cost of sounding like a fan boy id really urge you to look into Brad and Argilis conservation work and what he does constantly to support the hunting community. Public land sale opposition etc. A recent bow shoot in boise for instance. You are once again very misguided in your statements.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Look, I don't really care if you copy or "copy". But, some companies support our local communities and some just look to profit from them. Which do you prefer?

Personally, I try to favor companies that support us. I know that isn't always possible in this age in every avenue of life. But, the more we do it. Then more companies will see that investing in local communities pays off.

But, I guess I'm not informed enough to know Americans need American business's to keep money and jobs here.

Surprised it took you so long to hop here as well. You should tell all our employees on our payroll their jobs aren't American, not to mention all of our contractors and suppliers we pay. Also, Where do you live WhiskeyBiker? And what's youre real name? You sound like someone that lives in Grand Junction and youre also hiding behind a fake name.