Cheap suppressors on the way

[Halligan]

Curious to see testing, if they perform adequately, it think it’s a safe assumption that higher end models and suppressor companies are going to get undercut severely

 

[Formidilosus]

Curious to see testing, if they perform adequately, it think it’s a safe assumption that higher end models and suppressor companies are going to get undercut severely

Sort of. I have said for years that there needs to be $150-$300 aluminum suppressors on the market. But, they do have limitations that proper printed Ti cans do not.

When good aluminum cans come on the market that are sub $300; I would get high end printed Ti cans for my main rifles, and all the others would get good aluminum cans.

 

[wowzers]

Gee…. Look at all these OTB cans coming out all of a sudden.



But Rokslide doesn’t effect the industry….

They have been available in NZ long before you guys started making them. I first noticed them probably a decade ago and couldn’t find one in the states.

 

[Formidilosus]

They have been available in NZ long before you guys started making them. I first noticed them probably a decade ago and couldn’t find one in the states.

I’m aware. The first OTB can I used was from the early 90’s. But- these companies coming out with OTB cans in the USA this year are all because of Rokslide and the US can- I’m not guessing.

 

[Geewhiz]

AB were the first otb cans that I was aware of being publicly available. And as far as I know that was before the unknown otb cans. The funny thing is I had an idea for an otb can about 15 years ago and have drawings to prove it but obviously never did anything with it. Evidently I should have pursued it.

 

[wowzers]

I’m aware. The first OTB can I used was from the early 90’s. But- these companies coming out with OTB cans in the USA this year are all because of Rokslide and the US can- I’m not guessing.

When I first tried to find one the only thing that was really available was geared towards the AR space. I was pretty dumbfounded that they weren’t readily available here in the US. I even talked with a SOT about making me one but never followed through.

I’d say that is pretty accurate on the sudden rise in popularity.

 

[Formidilosus]

AB were the first otb cans that I was aware of being publicly available.

No. OP’s Inc, Surefire, Griffin, and several smaller companies had OTB cans availbe in the US 15-30 years ago. However, none of them were lightweight “hunting” cans.

And as far as I know that was before the unknown otb cans.

The issue with AB’s cans is they are big, bulky, and look like a dildo- that’s why they did not massively affect any other company. People have short memories- 1.5 years ago most people said that OTB cans were stupid and not “efficient”. Quite a few companies were pushed to do proper LW OTB cans for hunting- all said they were pointless, would not suppress enough, and that there was no market.

I am not saying that it matters between cans, nor am I saying that it means much- except, that in several threads lately people love to say that “Rokslide is a tiny fraction of the community, and means nothing to the industry”. That is factually incorrect. Rokslide has an influence on the industry, and sometimes a relatively large one. The lightweight, hunting focused OTB cans that are coming this year are 100% because of Rokslide.

 

[Formidilosus]

When I first tried to find one the only thing that was really available was geared towards the AR space. I was pretty dumbfounded that they weren’t readily available here in the US. I even talked with a SOT about making me one but never followed through.

I’d say that is pretty accurate on the sudden rise in popularity.

My main use prior to 2018 or so with OTB cans were the OPs Inc and Surefire ones. The OPs Inc were incredible, the Surefire’s not so much and in a large way is what gave OTB cans a bad rap with shooters. I tried hard to get several companies to make LW OTB cans- no takers. Then I went to NZ and almost all of them used OTB cans… sad sad.

 

[khuber84]

I’m aware. The first OTB can I used was from the early 90’s. But- these companies coming out with OTB cans in the USA this year are all because of Rokslide and the US can- I’m not guessing.

Gap Jaeger was out 3-4 ish years ago, just didn't take it seems. Many choices of OTB cans global VS still few domestic. "additive" printed baffle tech is pushing 4-5" muzzle forward cans to same(or near) performance se dB wise as most the current OTB cans that have larger form factor. This evolution is going to continue for a while with the next best, he said she said, dB this, dB that for a while. Exciting times to be in the supressor market!

 

[Banana_Horn]

This is awesome. I would definitely buy one if I had the chance just to see what it is all about.

 

[tx_shooter]

Look at the prices in New Zealand then factor in the exchange rate. We've been getting hosed for years.

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The "hosing" came from the ATF fees for manufacturing and selling. The SOT stamps are just extra overhead expense that does nothing to make a better product or make more product. So that cost adds onto every single product.

I still 100% agree there are suppressor prices out there that are completely insane for technology from early 1900s.

 

[Halligan]

Sort of. I have said for years that there needs to be $150-$300 aluminum suppressors on the market. But, they do have limitations that proper printed Ti cans do not.

When good aluminum cans come on the market that are sub $300; I would get high end printed Ti cans for my main rifles, and all the others would get good aluminum cans.

This brings up an interesting point, any insight on what the service life of these aluminum cans is? To my understanding, they have been treated as semi-disposable accessories in Europe.

Also I have to agree with you when it comes to rokslide’s influence. More and more, it seems I encounter serious hunters mentioning the site. Wouldn’t be surprised if a few mainstream industry talking heads are secretly members here too lol.

Anyway, steadily gaining ground, a prime example being unknown cans getting a nod on a recent vortex podcast.

 

[wowzers]

The "hosing" came from the ATF fees for manufacturing and selling. The SOT stamps are just extra overhead expense that does nothing to make a better product or make more product. So that cost adds onto every single product.

I still 100% agree there are suppressor prices out there that are completely insane for technology from early 1900s.

That's what has always chapped me about the pricing. Not that long ago folks were Form 1ing solvent traps that had about five dollars worth of raw materials in them.

 

[06 SB]

Our suppressor prices may finally match those in other countries. We have been gouged for a while.

 

[MuleyFever]

AB were the first otb cans that I was aware of being publicly available. And as far as I know that was before the unknown otb cans. The funny thing is I had an idea for an otb can about 15 years ago and have drawings to prove it but obviously never did anything with it. Evidently I should have pursued it.

Still can.

 

[06 SB]

I have a 6oz aluminum can on my bolt action 223. Sure it has limitations but on a bolt gun I am good with it. I have a few hundred rounds through it and it is working great. It takes the edge off, easy to clean and does not alter the balance of the rifle. It is from Stealth Project (not Stealth Additive Works).

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Look at the prices in New Zealand then factor in the exchange rate. We've been getting hosed for years.

Folks didn't want to buy aluminum cans when you had to pay $200 and wait 6-18mo a few years ago. Remove the cost and delays and it changes the dynamic.

 

[MuleyFever]

The masses buy the cheapest thing they can get that satisfies their need. That's why everything is made overseas and Walmart is what it is. Cheap suppressors will fly off the shelf.

 

[wind gypsy]

Gap Jaeger was out 3-4 ish years ago, just didn't take it seems. Many choices of OTB cans global VS still few domestic. "additive" printed baffle tech is pushing 4-5" muzzle forward cans to same(or near) performance se dB wise as most the current OTB cans that have larger form factor. This evolution is going to continue for a while with the next best, he said she said, dB this, dB that for a while. Exciting times to be in the supressor market!

Huh, i didn't even they ever made a jaeger with reflex..

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

The masses buy the cheapest thing they can get that satisfies their need. That's why everything is made overseas and Walmart is what it is. Cheap suppressors will fly off the shelf.

Well a nice thing with aluminum is cheap and light. Would merit looking up the lifespan but I image for hunting purposes its plenty.