Bring back made in USA..

[Trackerbacker]

Unemployment and labor force participation rates were about the same 5 years ago.

Unemployment
4% 3/2018 vs 3.5% 3/2023
Labor force participation
62.9% 3/2018 vs 62.6% 3/2023

Roughly, seems like a big disparity to arrive at very similar numbers regarding unemployment rates.

 

[Trackerbacker]

Bring in the immigrants to do our labor for us when millions of American are welfare lifers and “kids” live at home with mom and dad until they’re 30?

Idk about those “world class economists” you speak they don’t impress me if that’s the strategy. I say throw the welfare lifers off the books and put them to work first.

Going to snip these two statements.

1- you know how many Americans are willing to work "hard jobs"? Take a tour of any development, in any state. You'll get the answer quite quick.

2-the world class economists, well, they seem about as accurate as the weatherman. There's virtually 1 or 2 people I'd put my money on, because they put their money where their mouth is, and have been right more often than most any economists, and I have put money on the only one I can: Musk & Dalio.

Problem is, society puts a high value on 'intelligence' and low value on knowledge.

I'd be willing to bet any amount that Mike Rowe is more in tune with the economy than "insert big bank economist".

 

[Ishisube]

If we want to increase manufacturing in the US, we are going to have to massively increase immigration to get the bodies to do so.

No, we just need to get rid of all the programs that allow people to not work. Take away benefits for not working and the incentive to work goes right through the ceiling.

 

[Ishisube]

...the average customer is terrible to waitstaff, I don't blame people for not wanting to make the service industry a career.

I disagree with this statement and actually feel the opposite is becoming true. It's becoming a daily occurrence for the person on the other side of the counter to be annoyed they have to deal with a customer. Had two of them in a row the other day with the first one literally grabbing my hand as she went to swipe the candy bar out of my hand the other day.

On the other side of the counter, and as the one actually getting paid for the interaction, I always felt it was my job to be polite to the customer rather than the other way around. Doesn't mean we need to take abuse, but at very least, we shouldn't be the ones starting it, and that's what we're seeing from more and more employees with each passing day.

 

[displacedtexan]

I disagree with this statement and actually feel the opposite is becoming true. It's becoming a daily occurrence for the person on the other side of the counter to be annoyed they have to deal with a customer. Had two of them in a row the other day with the first one literally grabbing my hand as she went to swipe the candy bar out of my hand the other day.

On the other side of the counter, and as the one actually getting paid for the interaction, I always felt it was my job to be polite to the customer rather than the other way around. Doesn't mean we need to take abuse, but at very least, we shouldn't be the ones starting it, and that's what we're seeing from more and more employees with each passing day.

What kind of restaurants are you eating at that have candy bars?

I watch people treat waitstaff, baristas, and bartenders as some sort of servant on a near daily basis.

 

[Cheesy]

No, we just need to get rid of all the programs that allow people to not work. Take away benefits for not working and the incentive to work goes right through the ceiling.

Exactly. We've made it too easy in this country to be lazy. If your options are sit at home on the couch and starve or go to work digging ditches so you can eat, there is going to be a lot of ditches getting dug.

My 9 and 12 year old were sitting on the couch the other day when I got in from work. There was supper to be made, dishes to be washed, laundry to be folded, general clutter to be picked up, sticks in the yard to be picked up. I told them to start cooking dinner (Hello Fresh meals, all ingredients and instructions are there, they've done it 100 times). I started doing the chores. Got all of them done including cooking supper while they still watched tv.

Guess what? They got a little Bible verse lesson that night.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 “Whoever doesn’t want to work shouldn’t be allowed to eat.”

They went to bed hungry. They're Johnny on the spot for doing chores now when asked.

 

[Stalker69]

They need to start with getting our own gas, can't believe what this country is becoming ( is). Total shit show !

 

[Stalker69]

So if I can make 20 bucks an hour lifting 100 pound bags of sand all day and the guy down the road is offering 20 bucks an hour lifting 50 pound bag of sand all day...I am lazy for going with the 50 pound bags?

No, just weak lol. Kidding of course.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

So if I can make 20 bucks an hour lifting 100 pound bags of sand all day and the guy down the road is offering 20 bucks an hour lifting 50 pound bag of sand all day...I am lazy for going with the 50 pound bags?

If you have pallet that weighs 1000 pounds and you have to unload it, does it really matter. If you are strong enough to life 100 pounds, get the job done and have cold beer.

 

[Wrench]

When I was a kid me and my buddy would unload a trailer with 20k of oat sacks in it for 20 bucks a piece....and were thankful for the work.

 

[MattB]

No, we just need to get rid of all the programs that allow people to not work. Take away benefits for not working and the incentive to work goes right through the ceiling.

Where do you put the factory to draw from that labor pool? How do you get people with no transportation to that factory? Who provides/pays for the childcare and training for the employees? If quality and/or productivity is sub-standard, who subsidizes that?

The political grandstanding sounds great, but no company in a position to start a new manufacturing business is going to rely on a high-cost labor pool with no training/work experience. Not when we have China, India, or Mexico as alternatives.

 

[MattB]

Here is an article which highlights another issue with bringing manufacturing back to the US. Our economy has shifted so far from manufacturing that companies are having a hard time finding factory locations in the U.S. with infrastructure (e.g. transportation/utilities) that fits their needs.

Insight: US manufacturing boom has a real estate problem

The 'megasite' issue: While the U.S. has plentiful land, there are not that many places to quickly plunk a billion-dollar-plus factory.

www.reuters.com

 

[displacedtexan]

Where do you put the factory to draw from that labor pool? How do you get people with no transportation to that factory? Who provides/pays for the childcare and training for the employees? If quality and/or productivity is sub-standard, who subsidizes that?

The political grandstanding sounds great, but no company in a position to start a new manufacturing business is going to rely on a high-cost labor pool with no training/work experience. Not when we have China, India, or Mexico as alternatives.

This is the reality.

 

[Ishisube]

What kind of restaurants are you eating at that have candy bars?

I watch people treat waitstaff, baristas, and bartenders as some sort of servant on a near daily basis.

LoL! Sorry that was hard for you to follow! Anyway, there's lots of crappy employees out there and your insistence that only customers are rude is ridiculous on the face of it.

The people that are rude to others are the same ones, whether they're behind the counter, or in front of it. Same people and they don't suddenly become wonderful innocents when they put on their work clothes. It's a cultural disease that's sweeping the modern world and has included every class of citizen, whether they're in customer mode or server mode.

 

[Ishisube]

Where do you put the factory to draw from that labor pool? How do you get people with no transportation to that factory? Who provides/pays for the childcare and training for the employees? If quality and/or productivity is sub-standard, who subsidizes that?

The political grandstanding sounds great, but no company in a position to start a new manufacturing business is going to rely on a high-cost labor pool with no training/work experience. Not when we have China, India, or Mexico as alternatives.

Wherever you want to. People with no legs can probably have a valid reason to not work. They can pay for it themselves, the traditional way. No one should subsidize poor work ethic.

The only political grandstanding is in your post. There used to be a strong work ethic and it's been deliberately eroded in order to buy votes and make people reliant of the government.

Unfortunately the truth stands as it always has. Easy times weaken you, tough times make you strong. Enablers will never run out of talking points, but they've helped anyone doing anything. Stop being an enabler, count your blessings and get up and do something instead of talking.

 

[MattB]

Wherever you want to. People with no legs can probably have a valid reason to not work. They can pay for it themselves, the traditional way. No one should subsidize poor work ethic.

The only political grandstanding is in your post. There used to be a strong work ethic and it's been deliberately eroded in order to buy votes and make people reliant of the government.

Unfortunately the truth stands as it always has. Easy times weaken you, tough times make you strong. Enablers will never run out of talking points, but they've helped anyone doing anything. Stop being an enabler, count your blessings and get up and do something instead of talking.

So you basically have no responses or solutions to the practical challenges of implementing the policy you propose?

No offense, but there are a lot of people far smarter than you who have explored this issue and have not come up with a viable solution to solve it.

And I don’t think anyone credible thinks that the solution is private sector-centric. Just turning off the welfare spigot and expecting that the former recipients will just get a manufacturing job in response is beyond naive. That would just drive crime and poverty.

 

[cuerro viejo]

So you basically have no responses or solutions to the practical challenges of implementing the policy you propose?

No offense, but there are a lot of people far smarter than you who have explored this issue and have not come up with a viable solution to solve it.

And I don’t think anyone credible thinks that the solution is private sector-centric. Just turning off the welfare spigot and expecting that the former recipients will just get a manufacturing job in response is beyond naive. That would just drive crime and poverty.

Incentives for STEM degrees making it the largest ACTUAL focus of college system.

Start cutting back H1B and EAD program. Especially EAD program, as its just cheap labor program for Universities and Corp America.

promote H2A program

increase funding to trades schools so that we have a labor for to bring stuff back too.

Its not hard just look at what NAFTA did for Mexico and why? Now look at where our overseas outsourcing went to and why. We can compete labor wise if we have education and labor skill set

 

[MattB]

Incentives for STEM degrees making it the largest ACTUAL focus of college system.

Start cutting back H1B and EAD program. Especially EAD program, as its just cheap labor program for Universities and Corp America.

promote H2A program

increase funding to trades schools so that we have a labor for to bring stuff back too.

Its not hard just look at what NAFTA did for Mexico and why? Now look at where our overseas outsourcing went to and why. We can compete labor wise if we have education and labor skill set

I generally agree with all of that, but that is more of how to direct people who are on educational paths to careers that are in need in our country.

But there is a massive gap between that and getting people off welfare and into the work force. People who may not want to work, may not have an educational background to allow them to do anything more promising than low-skill labor, or who may have personal situations which make it challenging to work (e.g. lack of child care, transportation, or something as basic as work-appropriate clothes).

 

[cuerro viejo]

I generally agree with all of that, but that is more of how to direct people who are on educational paths to careers that are in need in our country.

But there is a massive gap between that and getting people off welfare and into the work force. People who may not want to work, may not have an educational background to allow them to do anything more promising than low-skill labor, or who may have personal situations which make it challenging to work (e.g. lack of child care, transportation, or something as basic as work-appropriate clothes).

remove the backfill ability and wages will become more attractive but you are right the governmental (State and Federal) assistance has to stop.

 

[displacedtexan]

LoL! Sorry that was hard for you to follow! Anyway, there's lots of crappy employees out there and your insistence that only customers are rude is ridiculous on the face of it.

The people that are rude to others are the same ones, whether they're behind the counter, or in front of it. Same people and they don't suddenly become wonderful innocents when they put on their work clothes. It's a cultural disease that's sweeping the modern world and has included every class of citizen, whether they're in customer mode or server mode.

I wasn't talking about employees.

I was talking about the specific industry the comment I was replying to mentioned.