Biden announces proposed gun control measures

[Hoodie]

You have no clue how any gun rights issues will wind up being addressed in the USA. The fact that you think you can predict the future shows your lack of good judgement.

I tend to agree with you about predicting the future.

I´ve just seen a lot of people on here predicting a future wherein they may have to engage with a large contingent of US service members (who coincidentally are all members of the opposing political party) to prevent the enforcement of a law they deem unconstitutional.

Given the current legal framework we have in place, that is.......unlikely.

Not impossible (as you correctly pointed out). Just highly highly highly unlikely.

I can´t really say much more on it than that. I´m a vet. I´ve got vet friends and active duty friends on both sides of the political aisle. I don´t think any of them are a legitimate threat to you.

If you don´t believe me, that´s fine.

I don´t like fear-mongering. If I can use my personal experience to discredit it, I will. Weŕe both Americans. The fact we´re both on this site means that probably isn´t the only thing we have in common.

 

[*zap*]

I tend to agree with you about predicting the future.

I´ve just seen a lot of people on here predicting a future wherein they may have to engage with a large contingent of US service members (who coincidentally are all members of the opposing political party) to prevent the enforcement of a law they deem unconstitutional.

Given the current legal framework we have in place, that is.......unlikely.

Not impossible (as you correctly pointed out). Just highly highly highly unlikely.

I can´t really say much more on it than that. I´m a vet. I´ve got vet friends and active duty friends on both sides of the political aisle. I don´t think any of them are a legitimate threat to you.

If you don´t believe me, that´s fine.

I don´t like fear-mongering. If I can use my personal experience to discredit it, I will. Weŕe both Americans. The fact we´re both on this site means that probably isn´t the only thing we have in common.

I never said anyone was a threat to me or predicted anything. You got the wrong person.
I do know that under the correct circumstances anything is possible, thou. So I do not know how anything will turn out.

 

[Hoodie]

Wasn´t trying to target you specifically or anything. Just trying to assuage some people´s fears about military members who vote differently than they do.

 

[Opah]

Just one last thing pertaining to the OP,
Bidden and Harris have spouted about confiscating guns for years and lately Kamala stating she would write presidential orders to ban semiautomatic fire arms.
? where is Joe when she writes these presidential orders ?
But the Fact is they are anti gun and want to disarm the public. Yes I am concerned about how far they are willing to go.

 

[MattB]

I don´t like fear-mongering.

Amen, but we are in the wrong place for that.

 

[Opah]

Fear mongers ? googled it and got

 

[BjornF16]

Actually, military members must follow orders regardless of their personal beliefs or face the consequences.

Not accurate. Enlisted members all take an oath to follow lawful orders in addition to protecting and defending the Constitution. There is regular training on lawful orders and law of armed conflict. Officers take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Officers do not take an oath to obey lawful orders.

Regarding Posse Comitatus Act, it only applies to the US Army and US Air Force by law. However, there is another section of US Code that proscribes SecDef to ensure DoD doesn’t participate in law enforcement activities unless allowed by law. Drug interdiction is one example.

It is also important to note that the National Guard is exempted from PCA unless federalized.

U.S. Northern Command > Newsroom > Fact Sheets

Oath of Enlistment - Army Values

The following is the Oath of Commissioned Officers

www.army.mil

Oath of Commissioned Officers - Army Values

The following is the Oath of Commissioned Officers

www.army.mil

I would also say that speculation of what the military would or wouldn’t do isn’t part of the topic of this thread. If you want to continue speculating on such, please start a new thread. I would happily contribute my $0.02

Thanks, and please keep it civil.

 

[cacklercrazy]

I also saw that he wanted to end online sales of ammo and guns and gun parts.

Welcome to California! Everyone of you that left California i told you that you can run but not hide. I also told Everyone here and elsewhere that that these evil people idea. Make the whole country into a S hole like California.

 

[Violent Hippie]

Here is what Biden has announced that directly impact gun owners (2A) and hunting:

On his website, "Pres. Elect" Biden announced plan to:
1. Ban "assault weapons"
2. Ban "high capacity" magazines
3. Ban private transfers between friends and acquantances
4. Tax gun and ammunition sales
5. Ease restrictions on "red flag" laws, making it easier to confiscate guns based solely on accusations
<Edit:>
6. Limit gun purchases to 1 per month
7. Prohibit anyone who has misdemeanor conviction of "hate" or "bias" from purchasing firearm
8. End the so called "Charleston loophole" which limits background check wait period to 3 days
9. Ban anyone with arrest warrant from purchasing ammo or guns
10. Ban online sales of ammo, firearms, kits, gun parts
11. Grants to states to setup gun registration and licensing requirements

In case anyone doubts the veracity of the list above, here is the direct link to his website: https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

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See: https://www.ammoland.com/2021/01/bi...-cannot-beat-citizen-gun-lobby/#ixzz6jdVhWhjL

Please, stand together as gun owners and lobby your elected officials (and support some 2A lobby groups financially).

Edit 2: Removed today as date announced.

I was expecting Joe and Harris to openly push for straight up CONFISCATION . Well see what comes later. This proposed plan is pretty much a CA model . No SURPRISE with Harris being a CA socialist and all. Jst to be clear the CA model in most aspects of Gov has been shown to SUCK.

 

[ODB]

Plenty of slide members voted for this.......thanks, fellas.

Yes, How’s all that public-land-single-issue-voting working out....

 

[Greenbar]

First...molon labe.

Second...these nut jobs organize and put their money into their causes. We had better do the same. And with vigor.

 

[isocyanate]

NICS Firearm Checks: Month/Year | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Statistics represent the number of firearms background checks initiated through the NICS from November 1998 to August 31, 2023.

www.fbi.gov

Quick maths show well over 200 million NICS checks since 2010.

39.6 million last year alone. Sure, it's not one check to one gun sale, but word was last year that many buyers were first time buyers.

The enemy is at the gates, no doubt. But they have a much longer row to hoe than it may seem.

 

[WCB]

Looks like some good common sense regs to me. I support this. Nothing here prevents me from buying guns for any sort of hunting or personal defense.

Remember, 2A has always been restricted. We cant buy rocket/grenade launchers and other types of high end war type weapons. Fully automatics are pretty hard to get your hands on legally. Assault style semi autos are a grey area between war and hunting/hobby/sport use. Classic bolt action rifles will always be easy to get.

I've heard the "dems are gonna take away my guns" for 20 years and literally nothing ever changes. Here come posts saying oh but it's a slippery slope you just watch here it comes they restrict mag capacity and next thing you know the government is coming for my 30-06 lol

You're not serious are you?

"Assault style semi autos..." says everything. Wasn't a "Classic bolt action..." a military weapon? isn't it still? How about semi auto pistols....oh wait so were revolvers.

I would guess you think Gov. Walz is doing a good job also....

 

[Rob5589]

Looks like some good common sense regs to me. I support this. Nothing here prevents me from buying guns for any sort of hunting or personal defense.

Remember, 2A has always been restricted. We cant buy rocket/grenade launchers and other types of high end war type weapons. Fully automatics are pretty hard to get your hands on legally. Assault style semi autos are a grey area between war and hunting/hobby/sport use. Classic bolt action rifles will always be easy to get.

I've heard the "dems are gonna take away my guns" for 20 years and literally nothing ever changes. Here come posts saying oh but it's a slippery slope you just watch here it comes they restrict mag capacity and next thing you know the government is coming for my 30-06 lol

Take a look at the history of the "classic bolt action." Primary weapons of war prior to semi autos. They are still used to this day, as weapons of war.

For context; here in Kalifornia these long range "sniper rifles" have caught the eye of some politicians.

 

[Azone]

For context; here in Kalifornia these long range "sniper rifles" have caught the eye of some politicians.

What now? Shots no further than 100 yards shall be permitted? No muzzle breaks? No carbon barrels? Bullets need to be 100% recycled enviro friendly copper? Rifles equipped with a telescopic sight are a potential WMD?

 

[Rob5589]

What now? Shots no further than 100 yards shall be permitted? No muzzle breaks? No carbon barrels? Bullets need to be 100% recycled enviro friendly copper? Rifles equipped with a telescopic sight are a potential WMD?

Don't give them any more ideas

 

[Okhotnik]

Looks like some good common sense regs to me. I support this. Nothing here prevents me from buying guns for any sort of hunting or personal defense.

Remember, 2A has always been restricted. We cant buy rocket/grenade launchers and other types of high end war type weapons. Fully automatics are pretty hard to get your hands on legally. Assault style semi autos are a grey area between war and hunting/hobby/sport use. Classic bolt action rifles will always be easy to get.

I've heard the "dems are gonna take away my guns" for 20 years and literally nothing ever changes. Here come posts saying oh but it's a slippery slope you just watch here it comes they restrict mag capacity and next thing you know the government is coming for my 30-06 lol

wow full Fudd mode.There are so many lies and misconceptions in your post I don't know where to begin.Sad the level of ignorance regarding firearms and laws and history on a hunting forum.

 

[Okhotnik]

Take a look at the history of the "classic bolt action." Primary weapons of war prior to semi autos. They are still used to this day, as weapons of war.

For context; here in Kalifornia these long range "sniper rifles" have caught the eye of some politicians.

he's clueless regarding firearms at least based on his post. He doesn't even know that his own state of Minnesota has tried magazine bans a number of times.

 

[Okhotnik]

Not accurate. Enlisted members all take an oath to follow lawful orders in addition to protecting and defending the Constitution. There is regular training on lawful orders and law of armed conflict. Officers take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Officers do not take an oath to obey lawful orders.

Regarding Posse Comitatus Act, it only applies to the US Army and US Air Force by law. However, there is another section of US Code that proscribes SecDef to ensure DoD doesn’t participate in law enforcement activities unless allowed by law. Drug interdiction is one example.

It is also important to note that the National Guard is exempted from PCA unless federalized.

U.S. Northern Command > Newsroom > Fact Sheets

Oath of Enlistment - Army Values

The following is the Oath of Commissioned Officers

www.army.mil

Oath of Commissioned Officers - Army Values

The following is the Oath of Commissioned Officers

www.army.mil

I would also say that speculation of what the military would or wouldn’t do isn’t part of the topic of this thread. If you want to continue speculating on such, please start a new thread. I would happily contribute my $0.02

Thanks, and please keep it civil.

Except the military has been used many times throughout US history to suppress its citizens despite the PCA.

 

[ColoradoV]

I read like 3 posts on this thread and what came to mind is..

Paranoia = characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self importance. It may be a aspect of chronic personality disorder, drug abuse, or a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which a person looses touch w reality....

I got the same number of ar’z laying in my gun case that I had before Obama was inaugurated. Maybe shot them 2x in the past 15 years..

OR I am willing to bet anyone on this thread a case of beer the good old govt takes 0 in the next 4 years.

Real payin bet. Any takers??