Best Mono Bullet for Hunting/Effective Kills

[LongWayAround]

Has anyone on here ever shot game with Black Hills' 130gr Dual Performance? @Formidilosus

I have about a box of it in my ammo tub, it didn't group for me as well as some others but I have always been intrigued.

It's an open tipped copper but the opening is very prominent with a claimed muzzle velocity of 2800fps.

Edit: I had missed @DagOtto 's pronghorn when I posted this. I think the dual performance is the same as the controlled chaos. (?)

 

[35WhelenAI]

Here's a link for Black Hills Dual Performance video:

I gather the 130 gr ammo you have on hand is for the 6.5 Creed? Haven't used this ammo myself, but should do the deed within parameters it is designed for (mv, bc, expansion velocity). I would assume all dual performance cartridge loadings use the Lehigh bullets.

 

[Hoghead]

holy petals batman!

From their website I assumed their bullet performed very similar to the Big Boys copper bullets (TTSX, CX, E-tip etc.)

But that is some WIDE bullet expansion!

Thanks for posting.

My experience is that they open more and at a lower velocity if needed. My 6.5-06 was devastating. I'll look for a picture of a hog shot with it. They are for lack of a better term precut to open I'll look for one I'm My loading room and post a picture. If they had a higher bc I would use them exclusively. That being said the Cayuga has never let me down there just more expensive.

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[Hoghead]

The hog was shot with a 6.5-06 3300fps mv at 125 yards.

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[Leaf Litter]

I guess, for me anyway, it defeats the purpose of hunting if the entire animal is wasted from bullet damage. But for coyotes and hogs that are nuisance animals, it certainly works.

 

[Hoghead]

I think the bullet hit bone. I also think if you want to hunt closer ranges, pick a slower cartridge in general lead or non lead. Speed can be destructive with any bullet if you hit bone. I normally try to hit just behind the shoulder on deer to minimize meat loss. Even if you hit a rib and don't hit high, you only lose rib meat, and that isn't much.

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[DiabeticKripple]

130gr TTSX out of a 308 Win at 3050fps.

Entrance behind the shoulder, exit last few ribs.

Shot was 88yds. Whitetail buck died where he stood.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Nice work! Can't understand how that performance is something people could not be happy with, lol. I can only imagine what that would look like with a frangible bullet.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Fall of '22, my year living in North Carolina. .35 Whelen AI 200 gr TTSX 2940 fps MV, Whitetail buck 185 yds.

Angling away, entry right side behind the ribs (2nd pic), exit left side toward the front (3rd pic). Only had to trim up to the entry and exit holes. Entry hole is the noteworthy because of the minimal bloodshot in the surrounding tissue. Exit hole you could eat right up to with no meat loss. He made a dash for a 30 or 40 yards across a hillside in plain sight after having just come off mounting a doe. Hope he enjoyed his last few moments. The blood trail was like it had been laid with a fire hose. Vital destruction was classic Barnes, tattered and chunked to pieces.

 

[DiabeticKripple]

Nice work! Can't understand how that performance is something people could not be happy with, lol. I can only imagine what that would look like with a frangible bullet.

yeah i could almost fit my hand in the exit side.

Most animals I shoot with the TTSX are bang flops. The ones that have run only make it 50yds.

In full transparency, I have lost 2 cow elk. One was a gut shot and she went miles. The other I thought I crushed her, I saw the bullet impact her ribs, she dropped and got right back up, joined a herd of about 100 and I never found her either. No blood. Thought I saw her in the herd limping, so I shot that elk again and it turned out to be an elk that was missing the lower part of her rear leg. No idea where the elk I thought I nailed ended up.

 

[DagOtto]

Whitetail buck died where he stood.

Uh, yeah,,, His heart and lungs were 10 yards past the giant gaping exit wound!

Nice Shot,
Nice bullet performance,
And frankly, to 35Whelen's point, I wouldn't want more wound channel than that!

I'm curious about the massive and immediate size of the entry wound. Must have shattered a rib and sent it flying?

Interested to see post mortem shots of .308 caliber ttsx at slower impact speeds. Was listening to latest Hornady podcast today and Seth states that their CX minimum velocity is listed as 2000 but that "ideal" minimum velocity is more like 2100-2200. Seems like we should go with the 2200.

 

[DagOtto]

Has anyone on here ever shot game with Black Hills' 130gr Dual Performance? @Formidilosus

I have about a box of it in my ammo tub, it didn't group for me as well as some others but I have always been intrigued.

It's an open tipped copper but the opening is very prominent with a claimed muzzle velocity of 2800fps.

Crap,

Yet another small company non-lead bullet to add to my list.

Editing.......

 

[35WhelenAI]

Crap,

Yet another small company non-lead bullet to add to my list.

Editing.......

Keep in mind, Black Hills Dual Performance is using Lehigh bullets from everything I have read if that helps with what you are documenting.

 

[35WhelenAI]

It appears newer/small companies coming out with bullets are going with monos. Larger companies keep working with frangible bullets of cup and core type construction, and dabble with monos but aren't making their money with them, per se (Hornady, Nosler come to mind).

Entirely my opinion here... Since hunters were tabbed as the ultimate conservationists over a century ago, interesting the large companies continue to push lead-based projectiles to those most interested in conservation.

 

[DagOtto]

Keep in mind, Black Hills Dual Performance is using Lehigh bullets from everything I have read if that helps with what you are documenting.

Ah, thanks.... that does reduce the growing field of options by .5!

 

[Thegman]

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130gr TTSX out of a 308 Win at 3050fps.

Entrance behind the shoulder, exit last few ribs.

Shot was 88yds. Whitetail buck died where he stood.

I probably have the pictures somewhere, but not sure where. Anyway, when I shot deer with the 130 TSX sent at 3,100 fps, the results looked just like that. Huge entrance and exits. At least within 100 yards, it's still one of the best performing bullets I've ever used.

 

[DiabeticKripple]

Uh, yeah,,, His heart and lungs were 10 yards past the giant gaping exit wound!

Nice Shot,
Nice bullet performance,
And frankly, to 35Whelen's point, I wouldn't want more wound channel than that!

I'm curious about the massive and immediate size of the entry wound. Must have shattered a rib and sent it flying?

Interested to see post mortem shots of .308 caliber ttsx at slower impact speeds. Was listening to latest Hornady podcast today and Seth states that their CX minimum velocity is listed as 2000 but that "ideal" minimum velocity is more like 2100-2200. Seems like we should go with the 2200.

I wish I took a pic of the inside. It was my buddies first ever deer in my regular spot.

If I recall, it smashed the rib right in the middle of it. The actual entrance wound was about 1” but as you can see, the facia had a huge hole in it.

 

[z987k]

It appears newer/small companies coming out with bullets are going with monos. Larger companies keep working with frangible bullets of cup and core type construction, and dabble with monos but aren't making their money with them, per se (Hornady, Nosler come to mind).

Entirely my opinion here... Since hunters were tabbed as the ultimate conservationists over a century ago, interesting the large companies continue to push lead-based projectiles to those most interested in conservation.

Probably because it's a lot easier to get set up with a CNC lathe than it is automated swaging equipment that uses multiple components.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Good point. Shouldn't take Hornady, Sierra, Nosler among others long to fire up the CNC machines and run the smaller ones out given it's easier. Especially if they use the same marketing and money they spend on everything that isn't copper for hunting.

In any case, cooper has so many innovators right now. If a copper bullet can't be found to give the type of wound channel, penetration, etc that a hunter wants, they aren't looking or won't look.

 

[z987k]

Good point. Shouldn't take Hornady, Sierra, Nosler among others long to fire up the CNC machines and run the smaller ones out given it's easier. Especially if they use the same marketing and money they spend on everything that isn't copper for hunting.

In any case, cooper has so many innovators right now. If a copper bullet can't be found to give the type of wound channel, penetration, etc that a hunter wants, they aren't looking or won't look.

If you have the capital, the swaging machines are probably going to be a lot cheaper to run and long term a lot cheaper overall. The amount of time spent on each bullet is way less.