Benelli/Franchi “Click”?

[jmez]

SX 4, problem solved.

 

[ianpadron]

You need to make sure the action is put into battery with enough force to be engaged.

I had an issue early on in my Franchi days and haven't had one since.

Idk if id call it a design flaw, just a difference between inertia and gas operating systems.

Yours sounds like it is doing it a bit more than normal, like maybe sloppy tolerance kinda deal.

 

[S.Clancy]

@Jesse Jaymes You finna sell that pile?

 

[Macintosh]

Bought a Browning Cynergy CX in 20 gauge. I cant play with it until mid December. I am sure it will be amazing....but I do use a 3rd shell on many occasions.

Dont worry, you’ll miss less. (Too soon?)

Sorry, sounds super frustrating.

 

[MHB]

There are two schools of thought on semi-auto shotguns, Gas vs. Inertia. Gas will always go bang in the first shot but might go bang on the 2 and 3. Inertia might go bang on the first one and will always go bang on 2 and 3.

The Wolff springs are not interchangeable between Benelli and Franchi. Benelli's recoil system is in the stock (behind the action). The Franchi is in the fore-stock (in front of the action).

Generally the Gas systems are more reliable with lighter loads (sub gauges). The only time I have ever had an issue with a Gas system is when it got dropped in the river at 5*F. The action froze solid including the gas ports. I had my SBE with me (again frozen action) and the first shot broke all the ice out.

I can say that I have had fewer issues with my SBE3 than my SBE before the Wolff spring.

Either system will have its issues. You need to decide which set of issues you are willing to deal with.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

I get the concepts and systems....but damn. I have literally had the gun since only mid October. And I've had CLICKS on.....at least 6 shooting opportunities in the field.

Not a very solid ratio I am willing to accept.

 

[JeffP_Or]

Still looking at this - everyone is calling it a 'click'.

Is this a literal description - as in the trigger pulls, hammer releases (or doesn't) but no pin contact with primer or ??

Talking with an acquaintance who shoots a Benelli - he hasn't had a 'click' issue but has had a situation or two where the gun fires one and cycles, but then when he goes for #2, the trigger has only partially reset. Literally there is no ability to pull the trigger [thus, no 'click']. After messing with it, he found it acts like the safety is on even though the safety is in the 'fire' position. However, he can only partially move the safety and cannot reset it to 'safe' or 'fire' and the gun still will not go bang.

He has to cycle all shells out, lock the action open, use the bolt release to close the action, reload the gun. Everything then works as it should.

 

[RockAndSage]

Still looking at this - everyone is calling it a 'click'.

Is this a literal description - as in the trigger pulls, hammer releases (or doesn't) but no pin contact with primer or ??

Talking with an acquaintance who shoots a Benelli - he hasn't had a 'click' issue but has had a situation or two where the gun fires one and cycles, but then when he goes for #2, the trigger has only partially reset. Literally there is no ability to pull the trigger [thus, no 'click']. After messing with it, he found it acts like the safety is on even though the safety is in the 'fire' position. However, he can only partially move the safety and cannot reset it to 'safe' or 'fire' and the gun still will not go bang.

He has to cycle all shells out, lock the action open, use the bolt release to close the action, reload the gun. Everything then works as it should.

On the couple of times it's happened to me when I first got my Affinity, it looked as you described, from the bolt being partially out-of-battery. Hammer falls, but no bang. Happened once just walking around, and 3 times when trying to change ammo, like from duck to goose loads when some honkers came in, or a different shot size for a different animal. Once I learned it was actually an issue, I've had zero problems with it, just being cognizant of it. Let the bolt slam home, all good.

 

[sndmn11]

Bought a Browning Cynergy CX in 20 gauge. I cant play with it until mid December. I am sure it will be amazing....but I do use a 3rd shell on many occasions.

Very disappointed in this Affinity

How much was it? I keep wanting to grab one before they disappear.

My affinity has "clicked" once, it is a thing. It is also a 20ga. Since I only shoot post notes birds I just push the bolt forward on approach just like I close up the action on my SxS/OU.

Added after reading more replies---> bouncing out of battery and having a dead trigger is a better description than a "click".

 

[Rolando]

I believe what is happening here is the bolt is fully locking up but bouncing back out of battery.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

How much was it? I keep wanting to grab one before they disappear.

My affinity has "clicked" once, it is a thing. It is also a 20ga. Since I only shoot post notes birds I just push the bolt forward on approach just like I close up the action on my SxS/OU.

Added after reading more replies---> bouncing out of battery and having a dead trigger is a better description than a "click".

Cynergy CX? Reed's in Minnesota has/had them for $1684. Wasn't listed on website. I called. Got free shipping also. Not in hand yet, but slow cooking 10 days.

I was too ignorant to understand how significant the actions/receivers/guns are scaled down to a 20 gauge frame until I handed a Silver Pigeon 1 in 20. WOW!

I had all of 30 seconds to put this Browning together while they scrutinized the 4473, but it felt pretty nice.

30" barrels only at Reed's.

Mac has been mentoring me a touch behind the scene and said in an O/U no real disadvantage to 30s in an O/U. Weight penalty was minimal. Still a sub 6 1/2lb gun with better swing I am hoping.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

I believe what is happening here is the bolt is fully locking up but bouncing back out of battery.

Correct. That's my assessment

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

Sandman explained it better. I intended to simply make it simple.

While it's in the heat of battle when it happens, I am not at all focused on WHAT happened. I am simply scrambling for the charging handle to cycle the action and add new ammo to the chamber.

The trigger CLUNKS, not CLICK....meaning, yes...the trigger is "live" and can be pulled. I am guessing the hammer is dropping, as I hear a clunk or click. But the firing pin is not being contacted at all.

I generally cannot find the ammo I am ejecting by hand. Too frantic attempting to salvage a fleeting shooting opportunity. And too angry at the moment to give AF honestly.

Franchi sent me a new spring last night. I will break things down tonight. Lube the piss out of everything.

I'll hunt in the morning, however all my A, B and C spots are beat to piss. Shooting opportunity may be little to none tomorrow.

May swing into the Trap club.....but again...on a flat range with zero walking or environmental input...it's not an issue. Sliding down hills, into creek bottoms, crossing barbed wire...you know...where the birds live??? is the issue.

 

[Tod osier]

Correct. That's my assessment

I know you have gotten a lot of feedback, but I haven't seen it said that it is a twist to lock the bolt, not pushing forward. If you slam it it has enough energy to twist into place, but you can also finesse it closed and jiggle it or take your finger and get it to lock with a flick upwards. I've owned an inertia gun for 30 years and have only had one or 2 clicks, so yours is either a problem gun or you are doing something weird.

Mainly, what I wanted to say, is that you can easily see if it is locked up or unlocked based on the location of the extractor (slightly above center). I'd get rid of a gun if I was having that much problem, but the design can obviously work well for people.

 

[Tod osier]

Lube the piss out of everything.

I'd shoot it dry before I did that, especially the bolt. Make sure the grooves that the bolt rotates into is clean and dry, I use a q-tip.

 

[RockAndSage]

Sandman explained it better. I intended to simply make it simple.

While it's in the heat of battle when it happens, I am not at all focused on WHAT happened. I am simply scrambling for the charging handle to cycle the action and add new ammo to the chamber.

The trigger CLUNKS, not CLICK....meaning, yes...the trigger is "live" and can be pulled. I am guessing the hammer is dropping, as I hear a clunk or click. But the firing pin is not being contacted at all.

I generally cannot find the ammo I am ejecting by hand. Too frantic attempting to salvage a fleeting shooting opportunity. And too angry at the moment to give AF honestly.

Franchi sent me a new spring last night. I will break things down tonight. Lube the piss out of everything.

I'll hunt in the morning, however all my A, B and C spots are beat to piss. Shooting opportunity may be little to none tomorrow.

May swing into the Trap club.....but again...on a flat range with zero walking or environmental input...it's not an issue. Sliding down hills, into creek bottoms, crossing barbed wire...you know...where the birds live??? is the issue.

You know man, I've been in analogous situations to this, with other gear. You've got a bunch of guys saying, "I know what you're talking about, here's how I solved the problem." Most of the time, just doing what they say will work well.

Occasionally, it doesn't.

And sometimes when the problems aren't solved well, there's a tipping point. Where the frustration gets so intense, for so long, it's like having a dysfunctional chick you just need to dump and move on from, even if things do get "fixed".

You'll know you've hit that point, when everyone's tired of hearing about your $h*t.

 

[Tod osier]

I'd shoot it dry before I did that, especially the bolt. Make sure the grooves that the bolt rotates into is clean and dry, I use a q-tip.

One other thing, is the bolt and receiving grooves on the barrel nice and burr free? I'm assuming the bolt is chromed, all mine are and nice and slick.

 

[sndmn11]

Cynergy CX? Reed's in Minnesota has/had them for $1684. Wasn't listed on website. I called. Got free shipping also. Not in hand yet, but slow cooking 10 days.

I was too ignorant to understand how significant the actions/receivers/guns are scaled down to a 20 gauge frame until I handed a Silver Pigeon 1 in 20. WOW!

I had all of 30 seconds to put this Browning together while they scrutinized the 4473, but it felt pretty nice.

30" barrels only at Reed's.

Mac has been mentoring me a touch behind the scene and said in an O/U no real disadvantage to 30s in an O/U. Weight penalty was minimal. Still a sub 6 1/2lb gun with better swing I am hoping.

Thats where I have found it, but cannot get them the email quicker than once every 2 weeks.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

I did NOT scrutinize things honestly. It will add more to the discussion, but I can highlight...

When I bought it (ordered...sight unseen) the Fore end was so out of spec I could not assemble the firearm. You need to assemble to fore end onto the barrel and join to receiver as one unit. I had to sand the piss out of the read mold lines to fit the gun together.

Franchi sent me a new fore end. Much more in spec and assembles much easier. I did it once and have run the gun as is since.

I will pull everything apart tonight and inspect with a bright light and Cheaters.

In my mind....there is nothing with the bolt being bumped out of engagement that should be affected by anything else other than a weak spring pushing and holding it into battery. But I will see.


Just very difficult to reproduce on a flat range.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

Thats where I have found it, but cannot get them the email quicker than once every 2 weeks.

Calling has been great. And lower prices than listed. I think that's also where I got this POS Franchi from. Was cheaper over the phone as well.