“Backfire” hunting challenge fail

[Jbuck]

To be fair almost all of those are kill shots.

 

[Sun_and_Steel_77]

To be fair almost all of those are kill shots.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Of note, in the second video, those shooters had the advantage of watching the first group and discussing wind calls prior to shooting it themselves, which did seem to help quite a bit.

I wonder how much of that actually went on. Cortina said in the intro to the second video that those guys had their Kestrels out beforehand so that would be a solid start for their wind.

 

[ChrisAU]

Watching these videos now, love Eric. “That’s the problem” to the 2nd shooter in 2nd video got me haha. Love what he is doing with these. All those guys made great shots but he is really driving home a point.

 

[Southern Lights]

Question is, if you only had ONE shot at EVERY target would you still have the same overall hit rate? I dont think so in most cases. I bet if everyone's first shot on each target got triple points or something like that, it would result in a dramatic shift in the way people thought about this.

I posted this in another thread, but the popular NZ Hunting Challenge held each year you only score on the first hit. You get another (optional) two shots to help improve what you did wrong, but they don't count. Every comp that is hunter focused should be this way.

Targets are actual animals with steel kill zone and rubber body. If you miss you hear the thump of the body hit but it doesn't score. Targets are from 100-700 yards with average probably 3-400. Most shooters don't score better than 50% hits. Exceptional shooters will hit around 18/20 on a good year without lots of wind. They are rare.

A lot of steel shooters miss, but don't mentally score it as a wounded animal. They hit off the plate and adjust and shoot again. I think a lot of these comps would be better if the targets showed you exactly what happened when you miss (wounded/gut shot). In fact, if there was a way to score it, negative points for wounded animals would be even better.

Shooting past 400 gets harder in field conditions. Shooting past 600 shouldn't be done by anyone based on lots of shooters I've seen and their horrible hit rates.

 

[Southern Lights]

Of note, in the second video, those shooters had the advantage of watching the first group and discussing wind calls prior to shooting it themselves, which did seem to help quite a bit.

They had another advantage as well: They had heaps of time to setup, get into position, dope the wind, settle their position, probably dry fire some, and then take the shot on a perfectly broadside target that stood perfectly still and didn't **** off into the bush waiting for the ballistics app to power up.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

That 300 Norma shot was hard to watch

 

[Erussell01]

The fact is most hunters SUCK and shooting.

Edit: I didn't check dates. Sorry to resurrect an oldie


I'm in that group, but thats why I have a 223 and a truckload of ammo to run through. I have learned I am not as good as I want to be, and I will work until I am.

Also, the days of me thinking I needed a big magnum to shoot to 750 or something ridiculous died when I started shooting to 500 and realized my fundamentals arent up to that task.

So I adjusted my expectations. Checked my ego. And now I'm probably the best shooter I have been, and my trusty old 223 and 308 are more than enough gun as far as I am capable of shooting.


Right bullet, right place, built on a foundation of constant practice in the real world. That's what matters more than having a bigger bullet missing faster.

 

[Mojave]

That 300 Norma shot was hard to watch

Yes, something is going on with that rifle or that guy.

Not sure if it's a recoil issue, health issue, or he's not comfortable off the ground.

 

[peterk123]

Edit: I didn't check dates. Sorry to resurrect an oldie


I'm in that group, but thats why I have a 223 and a truckload of ammo to run through. I have learned I am not as good as I want to be, and I will work until I am.

Also, the days of me thinking I needed a big magnum to shoot to 750 or something ridiculous died when I started shooting to 500 and realized my fundamentals arent up to that task.

So I adjusted my expectations. Checked my ego. And now I'm probably the best shooter I have been, and my trusty old 223 and 308 are more than enough gun as far as I am capable of shooting.


Right bullet, right place, built on a foundation of constant practice in the real world. That's what matters more than having a bigger bullet missing faster.

Well stated. Someone once told me the more you shoot, the shorter the distance becomes you are willing to shoot an animal. Lot of truth to that.

 

[Erussell01]

Well stated. Someone once told me the more you shoot, the shorter the distance becomes you are willing to shoot an animal. Lot of truth to that.

Thanks man. Some day I'll have myself, my skills and my set up dialed and then given the need and desire to, I won't have to wonder if I can shoot as far as the cartridge is capable. Until then, I'll leave the big rifles for the guys who need em, and I'll keep practicing.

 

[Slick8]

Edit: I didn't check dates. Sorry to resurrect an oldie

Man thanks for the thread resurrection.

I don't believe i watched the entire video the first time but did today.

Ole gomer has no idea of just how bad he shot. Not only was his shooting bad but when asked what's your max range he said 300 is all day long and 600 is doable if just right.

The results would say otherwise.

I'm not saying I'd hit 100% but dang that was rough.

Makes me want to go load some 6.5 manhun and burn some powder.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Man watching that makes me want to go shoot some more. He kinda baited him with ranging difficulties he probably wasn't expecting which may explain hitting t-posts but having issues with elevation but it didn't really get much better with the elevated targets either. I need to set out some targets one of these days and do a similar test. I ain't bringing a freaking 300 win mag to shoot 100 rounds though.

 

[KenLee]

Dang all this shooting off ya belly. Sit in a bag chair with a magnum and pop moving targets offhand at 150 yards. Then shoot moving targets offhand while standing at 200 yards.

 

[MT-nuffgun]

Man thanks for the thread resurrection.

I don't believe i watched the entire video the first time but did today.

Ole gomer has no idea of just how bad he shot. Not only was his shooting bad but when asked what's your max range he said 300 is all day long and 600 is doable if just right.

The results would say otherwise.

I'm not saying I'd hit 100% but dang that was rough.

Makes me want to go load some 6.5 manhun and burn some powder.

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Poor guy took a beating, “ pride cometh before the FALL.”

 

[General RE LEE]

Edit: I didn't check dates. Sorry to resurrect an oldie


I'm in that group, but thats why I have a 223 and a truckload of ammo to run through. I have learned I am not as good as I want to be, and I will work until I am.

Also, the days of me thinking I needed a big magnum to shoot to 750 or something ridiculous died when I started shooting to 500 and realized my fundamentals arent up to that task.

So I adjusted my expectations. Checked my ego. And now I'm probably the best shooter I have been, and my trusty old 223 and 308 are more than enough gun as far as I am capable of shooting.


Right bullet, right place, built on a foundation of constant practice in the real world. That's what matters more than having a bigger bullet missing faster.

If you don’t already, I highly recommend reloading. It’s the natural progression of a serious rifleman.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Dang all this shooting off ya belly. Sit in a bag chair with a magnum and pop moving targets offhand at 150 yards. Then shoot moving targets offhand while standing at 200 yards.

That’s bad ass, I’d love to see this, you must be quite the shooter.

Please post a video of you shooting a 5 MOA moving target at 200 yards, standing off-hand with a magnum cartridge. If you hit more than 1/10 shots I’ll send you a prize.

 

[General RE LEE]

That’s bad ass, I’d love to see this, you must be quite the shooter.

Please post a video of you shooting a 5 MOA moving target at 200 yards, standing off-hand with a magnum cartridge. If you hit more than 1/10 shots I’ll send you a prize.

I think he was kidding.

 

[Erussell01]

If you don’t already, I highly recommend reloading. It’s the natural progression of a serious rifleman.

My dad does. He's been doing it a long time and he does cook me up stuff from time to time. I'm certain I will at some point, but not there just yet. I'm naturally a tinkerer so it's bound to get me.
My wife just laughs

 

[Pilsner]

Military “marksmanship” as a whole is pretty depressing, honestly. There’s more interest in just getting people through a qual than spending time really learning how to shoot.

I’m AF, and it’s particularly true there. Most career fields don’t have a continuous weapon qual requirement and will only do it predeployment (normally ends up happening right before they are supposed to leave). Can’t qual? Better get them through it or someone else ends up getting tapped for that deployment with three days notice.

There’s more time spent on teaching absurd “cleaning” practices than anything else.

There MIGHT be a reason that the US military's issue SkillCraft ball point pin is 5.56mm in diameter. Saves NCO's a lot of time when support personnel or officers have to get a passing qual score.