AZFG restricting Crossbows

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Crossbows don’t use arrows they use bolts. So i guess this discussion is now over.

False. Old terminology.

 

[Weldor]

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Just because people are throwing hail Mary shots at 100 yards doesn't mean they can hit anything.

I don't remember a single person in all the years of the Cold Bow Challenge choosing 100 as their distance, much less actually hitting it.

Now I did shoot next to some slob with a brand new Raven stacking shots in an 8" paper plate at 60 yards the day he bought it. Guarantee if he was capable of that I'm days away from doing the same at 100.

Shot at Mormon lake for years plenty hitting at a hundred. Club we shot at had shooters consistant at a hundred all day long. Not arguing just a fact. I don't agree with it at all as I said before. I remember the days you had to learn how to shoot a bow. The bows and accesories today make it much easier. One of Mormon's smokers was a giant quail at over a hundred with nock embedded in it. hit the nock or closest to it you won a pair of Swaro's. We can go on all day about vertical bows and crossbows, but it looks like we are in agreement about this decision.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

False. Old terminology.

False, crossbows use bolts period.

Just cause kids nowadays call crossbow “bows” and bolts “arrows” doesn’t make it so. Just like they oddly call crossbows “archery”. It just makes their slang incorrect which is becoming more and more common. But that’s a different thread.

 

[KHNC]

When I drove out to WYoming this year for September Elk, I took my xbow in the truck with me. I also took my Mach 34 , which is my primary arrow weapon. I never even opened the case for the xbow. The thought of carrying the damn thing around the mountains for a week just turned me off. The two years prior, I am relatively positive i would have killed two very nice 6 points had I carried it with me. Just in the time it takes to load an arrow and draw, I missed what would have been easy xbow opportunities. Elk move a lot and when in timber, shot opportunities dont last. This year having my compound worked out just fine anyway.

 

[BigE]

Good thread as I'm interested in more options to expand the hunting opportunities available. Seems most of the discussion is divided into a couple of lines:

This article covers most of what has been shared here from our opinions already: Opinion piece for/against

Against crossbows:
1 - folks that feel they are losing opportunity by allowing more hunters easier access to classically managed archery units
2 - folks that feel any advantage to "how I do it" is a change that should never happen
For crossbows:
1 - Lot of info available on the game management side to support crossbows.
2 - Lot of support for the older hunter and people with injuries to be able to use crossbows
3 - Lot of support from people that want an easier path to archery seasons that have many advantages over rifle seasons.

Here's an article that specifically talks about crossbows effectiveness and metrics from the game management perspective of whitetails. Crossbows for whitetail

 

[CMP70306]

This does nothing to divide the archery community- xbows aren't part of the archery community in the first place. Crossbows aren't bows. Not sure why that's difficult for some people to understand.

So it doesn’t use energy stored in drawn back limbs and transferred via string to propel a shaft that rotates due to fletching and tipped with a cutting edge to take game?

Sounds like you are the one that has difficulty understanding that crossbows are in fact archery equipment. Or more likely you do know but don’t like the added completion that including them brings so you bitch and moan about them “not being archery equipment”.

Thank you for proving my point about archery hunters being a bunch of narcissistic douchebags.

 

[HuntHarder]

Decision has already been made by AZGFD. This topic is essentially over. I am glad I live in a state where the game and agency is doing it's best to try and stay ahead of technology. Getting rid of trail cameras has been phenominal and now no more asshats cheating the system with Cross"bows" during archery season.

 

[BBob]

Decisions been made, game over. Time to move on.

 

[3forks]

Thank you for proving my point about archery hunters being a bunch of narcissistic douchebags.

Dude, tone it down.

I’m an archery guy and I don’t think you’re making invalid points, but there are douchebags in any every aspect of hunting.

 

[roosiebull]

So anyone that had a legit issue. Perhaps cannot shoot a mzl ldr die to that issue - is now SOL?
You guys really put a lot of restrictions and requirements in order to enjoy the sport.

hope you never get injured - might have to quit hunting under that kinda scrutiny.

I think it’s more that too many people took advantage and ruined it for the few who should have had it. There are a lot of entitled self centered people out there that don’t care, which creates changes in the rules because people are incapable of policing themselves… can’t be mad at the state for that

 

[roosiebull]

I agree. There is no comparison between even the best technology in compound bows and crossbows. One takes true SKILL and EFFORT to shoot at a proficient level. One takes no effort and should only be used during any archery specific season by anyone with a truly legitimate disability. I’ll die on that hill.

You won’t be dying alone

 

[Szwampdonkey]

So it doesn’t use energy stored in drawn back limbs and transferred via string to propel a shaft that rotates due to fletching and tipped with a cutting edge to take game?

Sounds like you are the one that has difficulty understanding that crossbows are in fact archery equipment. Or more likely you do know but don’t like the added completion that including them brings so you bitch and moan about them “not being archery equipment”.

Thank you for proving my point about archery hunters being a bunch of narcissistic douchebags.

archery /är′chə-rē/

noun​

1. The art, sport, or skill of shooting with a bow and arrow.

Nowhere is archery defined as “energy stored in limbs transferred to string”

Nowhere are crossbows included in the definition of archery.

It’s just a fact man. I realize youngsters like to use crossbow/bow and bolt/arrow interchangeably as they attempt to homogenize the two but the fact remains crossbow aren’t archery.

Just cause crossbowers are now identifying as archers doesn’t mean the rest of us must agree.

 

[CMP70306]

Why stop at crossbows? By that logic rifles are the only ethical choice since the wounding effects they create aren’t limited to the 1-2 inch diameter cutting surface of a broadhead

From an ethical perspective of cleanly and efficiently killing game with the highest degree of repeatability it is incredibly difficult to make any argument in favor of any archery equipment at all. We just all kind of accept it’s pretty significant failures for the personal benefit of increasing season lengths and tag allocations.

Dude, tone it down.

I’m an archery guy and I don’t think you’re making invalid points, but there are douchebags in any every aspect of hunting.

Definitely not going to argue that point, I’ve met a number of douchebag rifle hunters as well that take poor shots at game, empty their rifle to see what they hit, consider marginally hitting a paper plate at 50 yards “good enough for minute of deer” and plenty of other things that leave me completely baffled as to how they could ever think that is an ethical way to hunt.

However it seems like a section of archery hunters specifically go out of their way to act like they are better than everyone while simultaneously trying to make it harder for other people to expand their opportunities without hunting exactly the way they do while also not taking the harder choice of a recurve or longbow. The whole crossbow thing boils down to vertical bow hunters wanting less competition and more tags, nothing more nothing less.

If it wasn’t they would fully embrace a more efficient and effective way to cleanly kill game and additional opportunity it provides to those who wish to hunt but may not be capable or interested in the significant commitment that becoming proficient with a vertical bow requires.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

Ultimately, you crossbow guys aren’t being prevented from using your chosen tool. Just use em during rifle season. Whats wrong with that?

 

[CorbLand]

Ever think that someone shoulder damage is so bad that they cannot shoot a rifle much less a bow.

Labeled? looks like you already are

There is a 250 plus page thread here about the effectiveness of 22 cal bullets on big game animals. I have an extremely hard time believing that one could not build a .223 which a load that is capable of killing out to 250 yards and that someone that is disabled couldn't shoot that but said person could shoot a crossbow. You would even have double the range of a crossbow.

Or like someone else said, you could use a crossbow during ALW seasons.

In the end, the vast majority of people that use these types of arguments are largely not doing so because they are concerned about their disabled friend being able to hunt. Its more based around they want their disabled friend to be able to hunt, while gaining the advantage of easier to draw tags and more effective weapons during times when animals are more vulnerable.

As for the "archery community" talk. There is a massive difference between what is in the archery community and what is allowed for hunting. Same with the firearm community and the muzzleloader community.

 

[Glendon Mullins]

enough of this thread and the name calling, calling your fellow forum members "asshats" and "douchebags" is enough, time to break out the old lock and chain

also warning issued to specific members for the name calling