ATF Proposed Powder Reporting Rule

[TxLite]

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Summary​

The Department of Justice is proposing to amend Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) regulations to require that any person who stores explosive materials notify on an annual basis the authority having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials are being stored of the type of explosives, magazine capacity, and location of each site where such materials are stored. In addition, the proposed rule requires any person who stores explosive materials to notify the authority having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials were stored whenever storage is discontinued. These changes are intended to increase public safety.

Has anybody seen this yet? This sounds to me like it would be directed at reloaders storing powder and primers at home. Make sure to go leave your comments on the page.


Editing to add for those coming in later:
After some further discussion and clarification it sounds like this rule is an amendment to an existing rule that should not impact the general public. The ATF provided summary is misleading. Explanation can be found on post #32 by @fwafwow

 

[Dos Perros]

What a crock of shit. Must we report storage of gasoline and other combustibles?

 

[Sccritterkiller]

So your names on the list you have a fire and they evacuate all the homes around yours and let yours burn because you have a box of primers...something tells me you gonna have issue filing an insurance claim...

Wonder if this will apply to farmers and fertilizer as well?

 

[TxLite]

What a crock of shit. Must we report storage of gasoline and other combustibles?

No shit though. I’d like to think that falls out of the jurisdiction of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

 

[CorbLand]

In the words of FPC.

**** you. No.

 

[Rich M]

This is exactly what businesses that handle hazardous materials, flammables, explosives, etc. get to do every year - they report the what and where of it all. Federal requirement. Businesses.

I'm interested to see what the thresholds are for citizens.

Can see powder in a gun safe being a big bomb of there are no vent holes to blow off steam, sorta speak. I've got some in my safe that i will take out when I get home - forgot that safety aspect as the safe has no bleeder valve or such.

Not as worried about ammo, but maybe should be as well? Have always heard that ammo presents no danger if it cooks off cause the gasses don't do much propelling w/o a barrel. Anyone know for sure?

Doubt a plastic jug of powder is an explosive device but the powder will cook hot.

@TxLite - do a google for definition of explosive under ATF.

 

[TxLite]

@TxLite - do a google for definition of explosive under ATF.

They specifically call out smokeless powder

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Can see powder in a gun safe being a big bomb of there are no vent holes to blow off steam, sorta speak. I've got some in my safe that i will take out when I get home - forgot that safety aspect as the safe has no bleeder valve or such.

Doubt it would do anything the steam from the drywall would probably kill it before it could cook off, plus most safes have a hole in the back for golden rod so they arent air tight...if you have a 100% concrete safe chances of it getting hot enough to cause an issue are very slim, unless they let your house burn down cause your name is on a list.

 

[np307]

No shit though. I’d like to think that falls out of the jurisdiction of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

Everyone always leaves off the "E".

 

[TxLite]

Everyone always leaves off the "E".

Good catch

 

[Tmcgarrigle]

Exactly. So it will make it impossible to insure a home if you have powders or primers. Then loaded ammo will be next. Death by 1000 cuts.....

 

[87TT]

Good thing I don't have any of that stuff.

 

[Dos Perros]

Show me the statistics that prove this is a legitimate safety issue. Then try to differentiate it from other safety issues we currently do nothing about, have no reporting requirements, or other regulation, etc.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

They'll probably lump ammunition into this and end up with a list of firearms owners without having to have a registry.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Show me the statistics that prove this is a legitimate safety issue. Then try to differentiate it from other safety issues we currently do nothing about, have no reporting requirements, or other regulation, etc.

lol there's nothing legitimate about anything they've been doing the last few years.

 

[Tmcgarrigle]

They'll probably lump ammunition into this and end up with a list of firearms owners without having to have a registry.

DomEStIc TeRrOrIsT lol

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Anyone have a good template response? At work but happy to modify a concise comment and submit. Something more than, "I am against this proposed rule change" lol

 

[amassi]

So your names on the list you have a fire and they evacuate all the homes around yours and let yours burn because you have a box of primers...something tells me you gonna have issue filing an insurance claim...

Wonder if this will apply to farmers and fertilizer as well?

Bingo
They tried this here under the guise of safety for fire fighters. Wanted labeling and registration, farmers were obviously excluded for their economic impact


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[Sccritterkiller]

Show me the statistics that prove this is a legitimate safety issue. Then try to differentiate it from other safety issues we currently do nothing about, have no reporting requirements, or other regulation, etc.

...trying to bring logic and fact into the discussion...this is the new angle...they can't ban guns be they can make cost prohibited to own..it was mentioned above...this is just another angle so firearm owners can't afford home owners insurance.

 

[CMP70306]

They specifically call out smokeless powder

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On the flip side this specifically exempts it.

Is smokeless powder designed for use in small arms ammunition subject to the explosives storage requirements? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Smokeless powders designed for use in small arms ammunition are exempt from regulation under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 40 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 555. Packaging that readily identifies the smokeless powder as being designed for use in small arms ammunition may help in determining whether it...

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