Anyone paying attention to Michigan?

[dr.mooseknuckles]

This thread is making me laugh so hard!

The presence of antlers doesn't add inches to your dick. Shoot more does. Antler point restrictions are dumb in that there are plenty of mature bucks with weak genetics that don't meet the APR criteria to be harvested, thus they get to continue breeding.

One buck rule, in general, would make folks (read seasoned adults) be more selective. That's how Kentucky does it, and many people travel there to hunt. Again, antlers are hard to cook, and don't add inches to your pecker. Let them get bigger and thin the doe herd out. If you really want to get super strict, minimum main beam length restrictions and/or inside spread limit. SOAs in AL are 18 inch main beam length, and/or 16 inch inside spread.

Anecdotal for sure, but on our family 1k acre property in AL, one buck rule per member, unless confronted with the rare situation of seeing a bigger buck than the first killed. No doe limits. We are seeing much better quality with our bucks, as well as an increase in number of mature bucks seen on camera. Our doe body weights have also gone up, which will help contribute to better buck genetics in the long term (50% of genetics come from the doe, dontcha know). We'll probably never get our ratio ideal. Three mature bucks and ten does this season

 

[Steve O]

This thread is making me laugh so hard!

The presence of antlers doesn't add inches to your dick. Shoot more does. Antler point restrictions are dumb in that there are plenty of mature bucks with weak genetics that don't meet the APR criteria to be harvested, thus they get to continue breeding.

One buck rule, in general, would make folks (read seasoned adults) be more selective. That's how Kentucky does it, and many people travel there to hunt. Again, antlers are hard to cook, and don't add inches to your pecker. Let them get bigger and thin the doe herd out. If you really want to get super strict, minimum main beam length restrictions and/or inside spread limit. SOAs in AL are 18 inch main beam length, and/or 16 inch inside spread.

Anecdotal for sure, but on our family 1k acre property in AL, one buck rule per member, unless confronted with the rare situation of seeing a bigger buck than the first killed. No doe limits. We are seeing much better quality with our bucks, as well as an increase in number of mature bucks seen on camera. Our doe body weights have also gone up, which will help contribute to better buck genetics in the long term (50% of genetics come from the doe, dontcha know). We'll probably never get our ratio ideal. Three mature bucks and ten does this season

There is 1/3 of the lower peninsula that needs the does thinned. That is where all the private land is. The rest of the state is a tinkle of what it once was. The big buck hunters pushing thier agenda are the ones in that private sector. They hunt in a nirvana, off limits to the rest of the low lifes that eke out our existence hunting the public. Their herd reduction plans work incredibly well where the public takes great advantage of them but not so well on the private land where only they are responsible for controlling the deer population on. A big pile of hypocrisy is what I see from them…

 

[Todd10]

This thread is making me laugh so hard!

The presence of antlers doesn't add inches to your dick. Shoot more does. Antler point restrictions are dumb in that there are plenty of mature bucks with weak genetics that don't meet the APR criteria to be harvested, thus they get to continue breeding.

One buck rule, in general, would make folks (read seasoned adults) be more selective. That's how Kentucky does it, and many people travel there to hunt. Again, antlers are hard to cook, and don't add inches to your pecker. Let them get bigger and thin the doe herd out. If you really want to get super strict, minimum main beam length restrictions and/or inside spread limit. SOAs in AL are 18 inch main beam length, and/or 16 inch inside spread.

Anecdotal for sure, but on our family 1k acre property in AL, one buck rule per member, unless confronted with the rare situation of seeing a bigger buck than the first killed. No doe limits. We are seeing much better quality with our bucks, as well as an increase in number of mature bucks seen on camera. Our doe body weights have also gone up, which will help contribute to better buck genetics in the long term (50% of genetics come from the doe, dontcha know). We'll probably never get our ratio ideal. Three mature bucks and ten does this season

Anecdotal for sure, but on our family 1k acre property in AL, one buck rule per member, UNLESS confronted with the rare situation of seeing a bigger buck than the first killed.

Sounds like the current 2 buck rule in Michigan where only 3-7% of hunters shoot a second buck. A lot of hunters would love to harvest more doe if they could only access the private property they live on. I do agree with you though that a lot of hunters are mainly interested in antlers unfortunately.

 

[SirChooCH]

I didn't scroll thu nine pages to see if this is posted:

Ep. 1033: The Case for a One Buck Rule with Brent Rudolph | MeatEater Podcasts

This week on the show Mark is discussing the case for a one buck limit (currently proposed in Michigan), and joining him is Brent Rudolph, the deer, elk, and moose specialist for the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. Connect with Mark Kenyon, Jake Hofer, and MeatEater Mark Kenyon on...

www.themeateater.com

This was a good listen. Always want to hear from our actual biologists and what going on verse facebook commenters.

I heard OBT is for sure but without the added APR. Fall 2026 or starting 2027 up in the air still.
OP have any insights into what's actually being passed or not? Seemed in the loop from previous posts.

 

[LostArra]

I didn't scroll thu nine pages to see if this is posted:

https://www.themeateater.com/listen...e-for-a-one-buck-rule-with-brent-rudolph[/URL

I had not listened to this when I posted it.
I apologize to all.

Kenyon and Brent Rudolph both hired Kamala Harris's speech writer.
It takes 5 minutes of word salad for Kenyon to ask a yes/no question. Rudolph responds with his own word salad for another 5 minutes. Sorry guys.

This should have been a 15 minute podcast. Please shoot a doe.

 

[SirChooCH]

I just saw posted by some of the guys pushing OBT that it's off the table. They are moving forward with an "earn a second buck" so 2 buck system starting in 2027.

No changes to the UP.

Doesn't say anything about any of the other changes...

 

[UPThunderbolt]

I’ll assume your observations in the UP are accurate. APR’s, OBR and increased doe harvest wouldn’t change anything. There’s hunters across the country that don’t take care of their game properly, however, I believe a majority of hunters do it right. Ultimately, I would like to see hunters working together for what’s best for our deer herd. Judging or shaming hunters for the size of deer they shoot won’t further that objective.

I’m sorry Todd, please don’t assume Nut’s observations are accurate. They are not. The Upper Peninsula covers 17,000 square miles. There are approximately 50,000 to 60,000 Resident Yoopers who hunt whitetails. I guarantee you that Nut has never traveled the length and width of the Peninsula and documented that “most” the deer are left hanging in the sun for two weeks. How would he even know? Furthermore, Nut claims that “everyone and I mean everyone” whines…. SERIOUSLY? I highly doubt that Nut knows even 1% (500-600) of the resident Yooper hunters and yet he’s going to make that statement?

I was going to let his statements go, but this is disrespectful slanderous garbage. Are there some slobs up here? Sure. There are slobs everywhere. But, to cast that dispersion on all of us is nonsense.

Happy Mother’s Day to all of your Moms and Wives.

 

[Todd10]

I’m sorry Todd, please don’t assume Nut’s observations are accurate. They are not. The Upper Peninsula covers 17,000 square miles. There are approximately 50,000 to 60,000 Resident Yoopers who hunt whitetails. I guarantee you that Nut has never traveled the length and width of the Peninsula and documented that “most” the deer are left hanging in the sun for two weeks. How would he even know? Furthermore, Nut claims that “everyone and I mean everyone” whines…. SERIOUSLY? I highly doubt that Nut knows even 1% (500-600) of the resident Yooper hunters and yet he’s going to make that statement?

I was going to let his statements go, but this is disrespectful slanderous garbage. Are there some slobs up here? Sure. There are slobs everywhere. But, to cast that dispersion on all of us is nonsense.

Happy Mother’s Day to all of your Moms and Wives.

No need to be sorry. My assumption was for the sake of argument. I agree his assumptions are a bunch of BS. It’s hard to take his opinion seriously and it doesn’t help address any issues Michigan might have.
I’ll second “Happy Mother’s Day to everyone’s Mothers and Wives!