Am I out of line?

[N2TRKYS]

It was either delivered how it was represented during the sale or it wasn't. I don't care who is selling it or how cheap others not involved in the sale thinks that it is, I would expect to get the item as it was described and with all of the items that I bought.

If everything wasn't disclosed, then I would refund the money and move on.

 

[Firehole Hunter]

Don't know either of you, but if you are going to sell stuff you cannot make the kind of mistakes that the seller did in this case. Seller needs to make it right and eat lots of humble pie and never stop. Just because others have done doesn't make it right or that its not really a big difference in what you represented. Lastly, don't complain on here about it, it makes you look bad or puts you in a bad light, which is not what you want.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

It's common for guys that didn't haul meat with a pack to specifically state that in their ad, or specifically state there's no stains or blood. If you said that and couldn't remember if you had hauled meat and there was in fact stains, then that's obviously not okay. If you simply said "used pack" and didn't mention anything further and there was some blood stains, then it's the buyers fault for not clarifying about blood beforehand since it mattered to him and "used" implies that there will probably be some stains. If the webbing keepers and buckles were also part of the deal or implied to be/shown in photos, then it's on you to take the extra minute to make sure you include everything you advertised or reasonably implied as being part of the deal. Like you said though, it was miscommunication on both parts.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Don't know either of you, but if you are going to sell stuff you cannot make the kind of mistakes that the seller did in this case. Seller needs to make it right and eat lots of humble pie and never stop. Just because others have done doesn't make it right or that its not really a big difference in what you represented. Lastly, don't complain on here about it, it makes you look bad or puts you in a bad light, which is not what you want.

Oh, I'm not complaining more of an education. If I thought I was totally in the right I would have banned him and moved on. I own this place and get to mediate lots of bad sales on here, damn near every day, unfortunately. This is the first sale I've had with a crappy outcome, so I want to learn from it.

 

[Tony Trietch]

I would apologize for wasting his time and provide the most immediate refund possible

In these situations when I’m dealing with someone who I can’t deal with I find it most rewarding to get the transaction in the rear view as expediently as can be. 235$ Plus another 20-30 innshipping is a small price to pay to free yourself of a shitty relationship.

I’d buy him a new one if that’s what it took to shut him up. Anything to be rid of him. Too many easy people out there to deal with.

*might apologize “for my part” “ in the tremendous waste of time and resources which the transaction has become”

I’d make a point of letting the guy know he’s not worth your time though. However sideways or pointedly you deem appropriate.

This is exactly how I would hope I would respond, however I might be my normal asshole self and tell him to get lost and grow up.

 

[Tick]

Refund and move on if the original description was inaccurate.

 

[TheCougar]

I can understand both of your positions. He was in the right when you sent the bag without the straps and the buckles. The strap keepers kind of sound ridiculous - I would have sent him $5 on PayPal and told him you were sorry you forgot them and to go buy some new ones. The condition of the bag is subjective, so that’s a push.

I’ve had similar experiences. I bought a bino harness on here and it showed up without the straps that attach to the binos. The seller couldn’t find them after I contacted him, so he paid $10 for new straps and I covered the $4 in shipping. Seemed fair that I wanted the required items for the harness and I felt like covering the $4 shipping wasn’t a deal breaker... I mean, it’s $4! I also sold some binoculars and when the buyer received them, he felt like I had misrepresented the condition in the ad and he had not seen in the ad the exact version of the binos (he thought they were HD when they clearly weren’t, from the pics and description). I offered to take them back, and he covered return shipping. When I got them back, I showed my wife my ad description and gave her the binos and let her judge. She voted for him, so I refunded all of his return shipping cost. There is no one right way to solve a problem like this, so I just use common sense and the golden rule, and I haven’t been banned yet!

 

[juan trueno]

I’ve been an avid fan of these and the classifieds at 24 hour for a long time- am careful and have had mostly positive experiences. I’ve had one sale get sideways and it was just a case of a guy wanting to complain. Sold a scope in “mounted but excellent condition” And said you’ll be able to tell it’s been mounted but there aren’t ring marks that I can capture with a camera. The guy private messaged me that he could tell it had been mounted and didn’t think it was excellent condition- and let me know excellent should be “like new”... which to me is “like new”

Anyway I asked f he felt I had misrepresented the scope and he said no it was as described accept that he didn’t think excellent was the proper term for a scope that fit that description.

I PayPal him back his money and apologized for wasting his time- he gets pissed of and says he’s keeping the scope- and that I’m being unreasonable. I took screenshots of the entire conversation and quit replying. He kept the scope and the money. I never had to hear from again, which was worrh it.

Sure you can sort things out- but after you’ve gone back and forth with a buyer or a seller a few times it will always have been more of a hassle than it was a good deal- for either of you. So much easier to just refund and say adios- sorry for wasting your time- which may or may not mean I wouldn’t cross the street to piss in you if you were on fire- they’ll never know....

 

[jspradley]

Not to hijack but- Hey- my company actually performs this service. We usually fill 6-8 tags a year and we use 2 Brand new packs for each hunt and pack out- then resell those packs for about 25-45% markup over retail depending on the hunt and what we packed out with it. Basically we sell the appearance of experience and expertise. Which for some guys is priceless. All packs will be “like new” but for the stains, aromas, we provide as well as pictures of the pack out and certificate of authenticity.


Hey- I know we don’t have a sponsorship deal with rokslide so if you need to delete this post no hard feelings.

Is that like selling used panties?

 

[juan trueno]

Hahaha. We’ve worn a lot of Sitka and kuiu for guys. No one wants to look like they just dropped 2k on clothes- they want to look like they accumulated 2k worth of clothes over the years- so we are able to basically relic their wardrobe over the course of a season in order to help support the facade of experience etc. additionally- and this is widely overlooked- we provide mojo- pants that have been in on multiple 6point bull kills- boots that have taken Dall Sheep, merino under garments that smell like rutting mule deer, etc etc. another option for guys who don’t have as much time on there hands is to buy a scouting package from Robby- and have it sent to us- we can go hunt the unit for you- harvest and pack out a mature representative of your chosen species and then send you your pack, pictures, wardrobe, spent shell casing or bloody arrow, as well as some assorted dirt and pine needles from theunit you hunted.

 

[jspradley]

For a second there I was feeling a bit of anxiety that you weren't joking....

 

[juan trueno]

Sadly All it would take to make that real is to advertise it.


It’s actually the way of the future. What would you rather run- an outfitter/ guide service or a Proxy Service.


Personal Proxy Hunters LLC making dreams come true.

Personal proxy hunters LLC bringing the adventure home to you

 

[jspradley]

Sadly All it would take to make that real is to advertise it.

Significantly advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality

 

[Gumbo]

My guess is that you know whether you misrepresented the product (blood stains, missing parts) or not, either intentionally or unintentionally. It is unfortunate that parts of the product were not sent. Personally, I would have made absolutely sure everything was included and all missing parts/defects were reported to the buyer because that is how I would want to be treated. Not saying you didn't do this because I have no idea, but miscommunications and misrepresentations are why I almost never buy something off the classifieds.

Of course mistakes and missing a blemish, stain, etc. can happen. That is where the buyer needs to be reasonable and not go off the deep end, which sounds like might have happened. Regardless of the problems that may or may not have been adequately communicated and missing items, I think your response was spot on in terms of fairness, to the point of you eating the loss. The buyer can't expect any better treatment than that.

 

[30338]

I typically take the pack off the frame at the end of each season and toss it in the washer to get rid of most of the DNA in it. They come damn near clean and then I can use pack the next spring and summer without smelling like death. Helluva lot less time than repacking and driving to UPS.

 

[brocksw]

Really depends with these issues. Last month I sold a guy a jacket that I felt was like new... Had some very small stains on the sleeve that I did not see... Must have picked them up while it was in my pack.

He messaged me about returning it and I refunded him his money and he returned it. It was a pretty trivial stain but he wasn't happy with it so I obliged. Turned around and sold it within a day.

Just in this last week I bought a rest from Azdbllung. It was advertised as the gen 7 vapor trail. Since the ad did NOT mention being one of the Hoyt specific models I assumed it was the standard mount as usually that's a noteworthy attribute. i messaged azdbllung and sent him an email and he appeared online several time without responding. When he finally did message me back he only wanted to call me names and essentially told me I'm stuck with the rest.

All could've been avoided if he didn't ignore my messages. Or if he would've advertised correctly.

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[BeaverHunter]

Really depends with these issues. Last month I sold a guy a jacket that I felt was like new... Had some very small stains on the sleeve that I did not see... Must have picked them up while it was in my pack.

He messaged me about returning it and I refunded him his money and he returned it. It was a pretty trivial stain but he wasn't happy with it so I obliged. Turned around and sold it within a day.

Just in this last week I bought a rest from Azdbllung. It was advertised as the gen 7 vapor trail. Since the ad did NOT mention being one of the Hoyt specific models I assumed it was the standard mount as usually that's a noteworthy attribute. i messaged azdbllung and sent him an email and he appeared online several time without responding. When he finally did message me back he only wanted to call me names and essentially told me I'm stuck with the rest.

All could've been avoided if he didn't ignore my messages. Or if he would've advertised correctly.

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I agree with you on the part about him not responding to you, that’s bullshit. But I think you bare some responsibility in this scenario for not confirming that it would fit your bow. He didn’t advertise it as fitting all models of bows. That’s on the buyer to confirm whether it will work for their setup or not. Not taking sides as I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just giving my opinion.

 

[brocksw]

I agree with you on the part about him not responding to you, that’s bullshit. But I think you bare some responsibility in this scenario for not confirming that it would fit your bow. He didn’t advertise it as fitting all models of bows. That’s on the buyer to confirm whether it will work for their setup or not. Not taking sides as I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just giving my opinion.

You're absolutely right.. I mistakenly made some assumptions. The way the ad was displayed I made an assumption that this was the standard mount as it did not specify otherwise and typically anything sold on here that has been modified or is not the standard off the shelf generic product is noted in the ad. My expectation level was obviously too high in this instance.

Regardless, seeing my messages and not responding is frustrating. The name calling... Well I guess whatever...im all for being a smart-ass but try not to engage in name calling.

I try to use myself as a check... A "what would I have done" sort of thing. If I posted the ad I would've posted the Hoyt specific part as a part of that ad. If I didn't and shipped it to a guy and the same thing happened... I would've viewed that as my fault for not advertising it correctly and not ensuring that he knew what he was paying for... I would've gladly corrected the issue immediately.

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[BeaverHunter]

You're absolutely right.. I mistakenly made some assumptions. The way the ad was displayed I made an assumption that this was the standard mount as it did not specify otherwise and typically anything sold on here that has been modified or is not the standard off the shelf generic product is noted in the ad. My expectation level was obviously too high in this instance.

Regardless, seeing my messages and not responding is frustrating. The name calling... Well I guess whatever...im all for being a smart-ass but try not to engage in name calling.

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I agree, no reason he should have resorted to that. I’m actually looking for a new rest for my Hoyt. I might reach out to you on it.

 

[mtnwrunner]

Press the ban button! It's a red one, right?

Dude, you handled it right. Don't worry, we got your 6.
Last thing anyone should worry about is you screwing anyone over.

Randy