All things .308 Win

[Formidilosus]

As it seems that your skill set, knowledge and training allows you to use sub 10-pound setups in 308 Win out to it's effective range and beyond, do you ever feel the need to use a heavier rifle chambered in 308 Win?

I'm kind of a "light is right" guy and prefer to keep my setups under 10 pounds. But I've found myself cycling through Tikka CTRs and a Varmint, then eyeballing something like a Sako TRG . I can't help but think that there is no practical "need" for a heavier rifle in most circumstances. I suppose it's just a "want" for me with no pragmatic application unless I was competing, trying to split hairs on a range or sitting in a static position likely doing something I wouldn't be doing in civilian status.

Nah. TRG’s suck…..

 

[Formidilosus]

As it seems that your skill set, knowledge and training allows you to use sub 10-pound setups in 308 Win out to it's effective range and beyond, do you ever feel the need to use a heavier rifle chambered in 308 Win?

I'm kind of a "light is right" guy and prefer to keep my setups under 10 pounds. But I've found myself cycling through Tikka CTRs and a Varmint, then eyeballing something like a Sako TRG . I can't help but think that there is no practical "need" for a heavier rifle in most circumstances. I suppose it's just a "want" for me with no pragmatic application unless I was competing, trying to split hairs on a range or sitting in a static position likely doing something I wouldn't be doing in civilian status.

Yes. If the weight is manageable for the task, heavier for the most part is better.

 

[Lonewolf72]

Nah. TRG’s suck…..






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You're not helping me!

I'm trying to justify to myself why I shouldn't slap a heavy beast on an empty Bravo I have in the basement.

 

[Formidilosus]

You're not helping me!

I'm trying to justify to myself why I shouldn't slap a heavy beast on an empty Bravo I have in the basement.

You don’t want that.


You want a T3 Sporter.

 

[Lonewolf72]

You don’t want that.


You want a T3 Sporter.

Now that's fighting dirty...you know how hard those are to get! I know firsthand what these are like. A buddy of mine has two 595 Master Sporters. When asked, he muttered something along the the lines of "I'll never sell them" (to you).

 

[BrowningGuy88]

Still digging the M7 in 308! Still shooting the same old boring Hornady Whitetail 150 grain shells and still putting meat in the freezer.

I have been debating a new rifle, but honestly I need to just put a new scope on this one and tinker with some loads. 400 yards is the longest shot we have available in our lease, so it’s not like I’m realistically going to be shooting game over 300 very often.

Thinking I may try the NBT in a 165 grain and the 155 grain Scenar. I got plenty Varget and 4064.


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[Undrgrndprdcts]

Still digging the M7 in 308! Still shooting the same old boring Hornady Whitetail 150 grain shells and still putting meat in the freezer.

I have been debating a new rifle, but honestly I need to just put a new scope on this one and tinker with some loads. 400 yards is the longest shot we have available in our lease, so it’s not like I’m realistically going to be shooting game over 300 very often.

Thinking I may try the NBT in a 165 grain and the 155 grain Scenar. I got plenty Varget and 4064.


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I'd throw the new nightforce nx6 on there and develop a 155 tmk, 168 tmk or 168 eldm load. Maybe suppress it as well.

 

[BrowningGuy88]

That little M7 put in some more work yesterday evening.

Hard quartering away shot under 20 yards. That’s the entrance wound. Deer ran 30 yards.


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[Ajsomp]

You don’t want that.


You want a T3 Sporter.

So you’re saying I need a t3x sporter in 308?

 

[TxxAgg]

Federal Fusion 150
They start around 2620 fps from my 16” Tikka

 

[Formidilosus]

So you’re saying I need a t3x sporter in 308?

Doesn’t everyone?

 

[Dobermann]

Doesn’t everyone?

Gah! And here I was tossing up building one on a Bravo (cheaper and just sourced locally) or a wooden RokStock.

But in all seriousness: how would you rank those three stocks - and let's make it for 308 use, given both the thread, but considering recoil.

 

[Bluumoon]

Gah! And here I was tossing up building one on a Bravo (cheaper and just sourced locally) or a wooden RokStock.

But in all seriousness: how would you rank those three stocks - and let's make it for 308 use, given both the thread, but considering recoil.

Started poking around and found a Master Sporter for 1k this week. They are out there, you just have to look past page 1 of google results.

 

[ND1612]

.308's have been some of my easiest rifles to get to shoot well with multiple different bullet and powder combos.

This one started out as a R700 SPS Tactical, then I got the itch to build a custom rifle and happened to have a friend that previously helped run the Remington Custom Shop when it was at Dakota Arms. He did all the machine work to true the action and chamber a Bartlein M24 profile 5R barrel with a PTG .308 Palma Bisley Match reamer, threaded for a can or a really nicely blended Badger Thruster brake. It shot stupid well right from the very first rounds and I've taken it out to just under 1400 yd with 175 smk's and shot one nice whitetail with the 178gr ELDX.

First target with the new rifle

Just recently I got back into the .308 world with a Sig Cross Sawtooth with the 16" Proof barrel. It's a heck of a lot lighter than my R700 and will be a great hunting rig. It also shot very nice right from the start, the target below is the first group after I got the scope on paper and was just some random SMK reloads that I had from my other rifle.

 

[Dobermann]

Started poking around and found a Master Sporter for 1k this week. They are out there, you just have to look past page 1 of google results.

They're available here too (although a left-handed model would be a special import) ... and I'd kinda assumed Form's recommendation of the Master Sporter would quietly fade away with the advent of the RokStock.

So my question is around which would be the rankings stock for a field rifle in 308 in terms of RokStock, Master Sporter, and KRG Bravo ... weight vs recoil management, needed features, etc. My take is that if I want wood, I can get 'real' wood, not laminate, in the RokStock. And if the adjustable cheek riser is wanted, then we have the Bravo, which has a flatter bottom ... so I guess I'm wondering what the benefits and/or use case are of the Master Sporter (save possibly for cool factor and charm)?

 

[Bluumoon]

They're available here too (although a left-handed model would be a special import) ... and I'd kinda assumed Form's recommendation of the Master Sporter would quietly fade away with the advent of the RokStock.

So my question is around which would be the rankings stock for a field rifle in 308 in terms of RokStock, Master Sporter, and KRG Bravo ... weight vs recoil management, needed features, etc. My take is that if I want wood, I can get 'real' wood, not laminate, in the RokStock. And if the adjustable cheek riser is wanted, then we have the Bravo, which has a flatter bottom ... so I guess I'm wondering what the benefits and/or use case are of the Master Sporter (save possibly for cool factor and charm)?

No idea if left handed Master Sporters were a thing, the new “Sporter” is a little different.

I have all three of the stocks in question.

The MS is special, if the toe line was flat/parallel to the forend it would be near perfect for me for in .308, factory 595 mags are the weak part imo.

Rokstok and RS lite have a lot in common w the MS for a reason. I have yet to shoot an RS lite, but handled a wood version. There’s def something to wood versions. Personally I like a little more weight in a .308 level recoil, but I’m a recoil princess.

Bravo with recoil pad above bore is an excellent stock, good mag options, and has the weight I personally want for a .308.

 

[Formidilosus]

They're available here too (although a left-handed model would be a special import) ... and I'd kinda assumed Form's recommendation of the Master Sporter would quietly fade away with the advent of the RokStock.

The ROKStok is a compromise- it’s trying to take some attributes from the Master Sporter (and others) and out then in a sleep, normal hunting stock. It is not as good in a pure shooting sense.

So my question is around which would be the rankings stock for a field rifle in 308 in terms of RokStock, Master Sporter, and KRG Bravo ... weight vs recoil management, needed features, etc. My take is that if I want wood, I can get 'real' wood, not laminate, in the RokStock. And if the adjustable cheek riser is wanted, then we have the Bravo, which has a flatter bottom ... so I guess I'm wondering what the benefits and/or use case are of the Master Sporter (save possibly for cool factor and charm)?

The Master Sporter has the capability to be the best in pure shooting. Then from what I’ve seen, the Rokstok is better in recoil and grip than the Bravo.

Being that you can get a Master Sporter to around 10.5lbs- it’s an excellent field stock if weight isn’t so critical.

Having said all that, if you have the ability, or will buy a Woodstock from Alpine rifles, I would do a modified Master Sporter stock- he can do that.

 

[Dobermann]

The ROKStok is a compromise- it’s trying to take some attributes from the Master Sporter (and others) and out then in a sleep, normal hunting stock. It is not as good in a pure shooting sense.





The Master Sporter has the capability to be the best in pure shooting. Then from what I’ve seen, the Rokstok is better in recoil and grip than the Bravo.

Being that you can get a Master Sporter to around 10.5lbs- it’s an excellent field stock if weight isn’t so critical.

Having said all that, if you have the ability, or will buy a Woodstock from Alpine rifles, I would do a modified Master Sporter stock- he can do that.

Thanks ... I think!

Doubt that I could spring for a custom from Mike ...

Have I got it correct that the Master Sporter was an older Tikka action, but walnut, and the Sporter is a T3X but laminate? If so, I doubt a left-handed Master Sporter would come up here, but I might be able to import a Sporter.

And now this has me fantasizing what an Arctic with the adjustable back-up iron sights would be like in a Sporter stock ...

 

[Lonewolf72]

Thanks ... I think!

Doubt that I could spring for a custom from Mike ...

Have I got it correct that the Master Sporter was an older Tikka action, but walnut, and the Sporter is a T3X but laminate? If so, I doubt a left-handed Master Sporter would come up here, but I might be able to import a Sporter.

And now this has me fantasizing what an Arctic with the adjustable back-up iron sights would be like in a Sporter stock ...

Yes...the MS was based on the M595 action in walnut and the Sporter was based on the T3/T3x in a laminate stock. As far as a T3(x) Sporter with Arctic sights, prepare to pay up. I believe the only way to get those sights is to buy a complete Arctic rifle.

 

[Dobermann]

Yes...the MS was based on the M595 action in walnut and the Sporter was based on the T3/T3x in a laminate stock. As far as a T3(x) Sporter with Arctic sights, prepare to pay up. I believe the only way to get those sights is to buy a complete Arctic rifle.

Thanks. For the sights - yes, I think Form might have mentioned here before seeing if those sights could be purchased separately ... I think if I had unlimited funds, an Arctic barrelled action with backup irons in a Sporter stock would be a great project ...