A pistol failure story…

[Coopsdaddy]

G45 and G20sf with rmrHDs on both and some steepling.
Nothing else extra,as I trust the Glocks to do what they do.
The rmr adds significant accuracy and range for me personally.
G43x for daily,refuse to use aftermarket mags as 11 is plenty.

 

[Fatcamp]

I have a custom trigger in my competition gun that has ran great for a coue thousand rounds or so, I don't keep track, but my carry pistols are all factory. It's not that bad and can actually be perfectly fine with practice.

 

[Weldor]

Aftermarket Glock triggers are toys. It will happen again, and again. Pull that trigger and replace it with a factory Glock trigger- no mods save maybe a factory Minus connector.

Absolutely, Stock works the best. There's plenty of youtubers out there warning us about aftermarket triggers. Take a gander and you'll be suprised.

 

[Steve300xcw]

One of the last times I went out shooting, I tossed in a 1911 that's been a house gun for quite some time. I have no idea how long the HydraShoks have been loaded in that gun.

About half of them had a pretty good hang fire to them. I was not expecting that

 

[bpitcher]

One of the last times I went out shooting, I tossed in a 1911 that's been a house gun for quite some time. I have no idea how long the HydraShoks have been loaded in that gun.

About half of them had a pretty good hang fire to them. I was not expecting that

I had a similar experience with some PDX in my younger years.

I rotate carry ammo every 6-12 months now.

 

[Thegman]

When I moved to WY, I took the Kimber out coyote hunting on a -20 day. Nothing came in, so I popped in my plugs and lined up on a rock at 200 to confirm the zero. Click!....Click!....Boom! Once home, I ordered a heavier firing pin spring.

I think we may be living in parallel universes...

I was still hunting for moose in a forest. Didn't find a moose that day, but did find a grizzly about 50 yards away feeding on devil's club berries. In order to get a clear shot I had to walk up a leaning birch tree to get 6 feet or so higher. Standing on this birch tree, the Kimber goes "click". Fortunately the bear didn't seem to notice and the next "click" came with a "boom". Kimber sent me a new FP and stronger spring. It has been 100% since, but maybe a little less exciting to hunt with.

 

[Thegman]

Thanks for sharing. How confident are you in your ability to make lethal hits with that setup after going through this?

There are a lot of upsides to a sub-compact glock in 10mm, however, there are also significant downsides.

I am torn on the issue as I shoot my full size, DA/SA 9mm MUCH more accurately.

I was in the same boat. Over the past 30 years I've gone through a couple of 44s, then G29, G20, and a couple of other 10mms, then 45 Super 1911s. All the 10s are gone, the 45 Supers retired, the 44 99% retired and now it's almost always a 9mm.

After reading multiple accounts of everything 9mm and above being equally effective in bear encounters, the 9mm makes the most sense for me. I can shoot it significantly faster and more accurately than anything else that's appropriate for the task. All else being equal, I'm sure my hard-cast 44 loads are better, but like you say, all else isn't equal.

 

[Steve300xcw]

I had a similar experience with some PDX in my younger years.

I rotate carry ammo every 6-12 months now.

I bet that ammo was 15 years old

Lesson learned

 

[NeonBrown]

I've been using the Glock Performance Trigger in my competition pistols and it is working fine. I used the minus connector before it was released. No issues ever.

This is the best answer for those wary of aftermarket. I agree with many out there who'd say a Glock needs a new trigger and irons out of the box, every time (I'd used Apex triggers in my 19X before I parted with it), but for those who don't want to go 3rd party but still want an upgrade...this is it.

All that being said, I'm a Sig and Staccato guy for competition and edc so most glock triggers feel awful for me.

 

[JRem257]

I’ve never understood the interest in heavily modified Glocks. They work. The minuscule gains in gadgetry will never overcome good/bad training.

 

[K9kodi]

I will say this. Glocks are ridiculously reliable. Forms fun gun, modify a Glock. For matches, modify it , sure. Plinking, sure. For a pistol designed to save your life, leave in the eff alone. It’s most reliable in its factory configuration and there’s no need to change a thing about its operation. Yes you can get lighter triggers, trust me, you won’t notice trigger weight when you’re pulling to save your life. Yes you can be more accurate with a lighter trigger, but a lighter trigger should never be a substitute for less training. Point being, keep a life saving pistol in its factory configuration and if you’re worried enough about yiur life to carry one, worry enough about your life to train. From the holster,

 

[ItsBrettyWap]

1. Glad you didnt fafo. AND you learned from the experience.

2. In the last two years I've been shooting ARs a lot more. I used to think everyone needed the full night vision kit and blah blah blah then I started to see what worked and was practical for, say, 90% of all issues. I've wound up with fixed stocks, fixed sights, and a flashlight (for rifles, some pistols). Yes you can tack on an optic (for rifles, some pistols) and be pretty handy.

I try to stay away from adjustable anything (within reason obviously), I try to think about weight, and use case. I do have gucci glocks but the ones I carry are a 22 gen 4 and a 48. Factory pistols, night sights, oem nub slide release. I do carry the 48 with the aftermarket mags and mag release now, but I carried it bare bones until I shot the other way enough to trust it.

What I'm trying to say is, less is more. To certain degrees.

 

[K9kodi]

Absolutely. It’s hard enough for a lot of people to gain gross motor skills with minimal options, let alone fine skills. I had a single emitter optic for my ccw and am now looking to rid myself of it. Less is better.

 

[Mike D Texas]

I will say this. Glocks are ridiculously reliable. Forms fun gun, modify a Glock. For matches, modify it , sure. Plinking, sure. For a pistol designed to save your life, leave in the eff alone. It’s most reliable in its factory configuration and there’s no need to change a thing about its operation. Yes you can get lighter triggers, trust me, you won’t notice trigger weight when you’re pulling to save your life. Yes you can be more accurate with a lighter trigger, but a lighter trigger should never be a substitute for less training. Point being, keep a life saving pistol in its factory configuration and if you’re worried enough about yiur life to carry one, worry enough about your life to train. From the holster,

I’m glad somebody else said it. If you want to use it to save your life, leave it alone; they work just fine bone stock and it’s surprising how much the factory trigger smooths out with a couple thousand rounds through them.

Leave the bougie barrels, triggers, springs, etc for the range or competition.

 

[K9kodi]

For years I’ve carried my trusty Glock G29 in the backcountry but just the other day it warned me that pistol maintenance and practice is just as important as the attention we give our rifles.

A couple weeks back I was out solo scouting for a bear hunt and while working through some chokecherries along an old two-track I ran right into a feeding bear. The bear was only about 25 feet away, we both startled each other, but it didn’t act aggressive and simply turned and moved off into the thicker brush. I had instantly drawn and presented the sidearm, though not as smoothly as I should have. Fortunately, we went our separate ways without incident. That encounter, along with watching this recent video, had me thinking that some more practice was in order so I did just that. This pistol has an aftermarket barrel and trigger and it has served me well for many years. During this practice, I ran two different but familiar loads, 180’s and 200’s, and for the first time ever I ran into a trigger reset issue with both. The trigger began failing to reset intermittently. And worse, I could make it happen more frequently by increasing my rate of fire (as one might do when being charged). However, during my previous trip to shoot this same pistol (many months prior) none of this was evident.

The aftermarket trigger has adjustable set screws for pre travel and over travel, and both are fixed from the factory with locktite. I’d never checked or adjusted these two screws because the factory setting was fine and I didn’t want to break that locktite bond and have to reapply it. After complete pistol disassembly, I found that both of those set screws were loose and could rotate as freely as they wanted to. Did the locktite deteriorate? Had excessive heat cycling caused it to break up? Who knows. Regardless, one of them had rotated so far inward that it was right on the edge of preventing the reset. And this likely happened as a result of vibration while driving the washboarded roads I travel all summer when hiking and scouting. I thoroughly cleaned the whole thing, readjusted those screws, added some locktite, and put it all back together. I allowed plenty of time for the locktite to dry and then went out to see how it performed. Problem solved. Zero failures.

The lingering question here is: What might have happened if I needed to let a half-dozen rounds fly in rapid succession at that bear? I had assumed that it would work flawlessly just because it did so months prior. But this was a mistake on my part, and it’s one that I won’t be making again any time soon. I had no way of knowing that this problem had slowly began creeping into my system (one tiny screw rotation at a time over many months). The failure was going to present itself at some point, I’m glad it did so when it was the least consequential.

I am by no means casting shadows of judgement, however, I am always taken back when I see someone modify a handgun they rely on for life saving possibilities.
They are warrantied and designed from a standpoint to work reliably as built. Glock doesn’t make handguns to work better with aftermarket trigger systems, and I’m fairly certain an after market manufacturer doesn’t have the r and d and money Glock does to make a reliable system better.

I see so many people on here tinkering with rifle platforms, and then asking questions about why something isn’t working as well as it should. And that’s called learning, education on how things work, what works better, but I would never suggest that be done on a carry pistol. Again, not casting shadows, but I’d go back to the stock platform and run it all day.

Have fun w the range guns and comp guns, tinker all day and get it out of your system. Keep the one to save your life factory.

 

[rileybassman]

Aftermarket Glock triggers are toys. It will happen again, and again. Pull that trigger and replace it with a factory Glock trigger- no mods save maybe a factory Minus connector.

What is your opinion of Johnny Glock's triggers? I've had good luck with them and my understanding is they are all OEM parts (minus the shoe) just polished/tuned?

 

[Formidilosus]

What is your opinion of Johnny Glock's triggers? I've had good luck with them and my understanding is they are all OEM parts (minus the shoe) just polished/tuned?

Ehh.

The real question is why do people think it’s a good idea to have a less than 5 to 6lb trigger in a pistol who’s only safety is a trigger pull.

 

[rileybassman]

Ehh.

The real question is why do people think it’s a good idea to have a less than 5 to 6lb trigger in a pistol who’s only safety is a trigger pull.

To me, it's less about the poundage of the pull and more the predictability of a more defined wall and a more crisp (crispier?) break.

I fully support/buy in to the well done 19/2011 perspective and carry a staccato C more than any other gun and do understand its merits. That said, I do find value in striker and particularly DA/SA guns as well and frankly just enjoy shooting all of the above.

Mostly just was curious on your perspective on partial cocked striker trigger systems vs fully cocked. I agree with your statement for platforms that lack trigger safety mechanisms (looking at you 320) and do believe that a drop safe (and likely even non drop safe honestly) 19/2011 is likely the safest platform to achieve a good trigger pull.

 

[K9kodi]

Why does it matter what one thinks, you seem to have your mind made up. I mean no
disrespect. I do however agree w the previous poster about not needing to modify a Glock trigger. Makes no sense. I can shoot a lever action rifles crummy trigger just as nice as my Christensen arms trigger, just takes practice and knowing breaking points. I don’t really care about a back wall on a pistol or over travel, I focus on slowly allowing a reset to feel it click in the trigger and then repeat. Traveling past a break isn’t a bad thing at all

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Putting aftermarket triggers in glocks is stupid.