7mm08 set up for reloading

[bmart2622]

I stand by my answer, you can think what you want but I dont need your approval

 

[EdP]

I stand by my answer, you can think what you want but I dont need your approval

No, you don't, and it isn't my intent to turn this discussion into a pissing contest. No point in that.

 

[bmart2622]

Ok, you could have fooled me but ok. Carry on

 

[Gargoyle]

My 2c,
Hammer bullets don't care about jump. Shoot great in multiple rifles whether I load long or to spec.
ELD-M seem more particular. My best loads in 2 different rifles, 2 different calibers is 0.040 - 0.050" off the lands. Closer is worse in every instance for me.

Easiest bullets to load develop. I've only ever needed to test two seating depths. Either first or second PDR groove from the tip. Many Hammer hunter loads developed in 10 rounds if selecting only one powder. ELDMs and NABs I've burnt through 150rnds to a tune of a mind blending dick dance trying to get what I do with Hammer Hunters.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Easiest bullets to load develop. I've only ever needed to test two seating depths. Either first of second PDR groove from the tip. Many Hammer hunter loads developed in 10 rounds if selecting only one powder. ELDMs and NABs I've burnt through 150rnds to a tune of a mind blending dick dance trying to get what I do with Hammer Hunters.

Dang, you must have the worst luck I’ve ever heard about.

 

[Gargoyle]

Dang, you must have the worst luck I’ve ever heard about.

Glass half full - Hammers
Glass half empty - ELDMS

LOL

 

[Gargoyle]

Has the OP even returned for his answers for seating depth?

 

[N2TRKYS]

Glass half full - Hammers
Glass half empty - ELDMS

LOL

I’ve never wanted to shoot hammer bullets, so I can’t speak to them. However, I’ve never had to do a seating depth test with any bullet to find an accurate load. I always thought it to be pretty easy.

 

[Gargoyle]

I’ve never wanted to shoot hammer bullets, so I can’t speak to them. However, I’ve never had to do a seating depth test with any bullet to find an accurate load. I always thought it to be pretty easy.

If you've never done a seating depth test, how do you know the load you deemed accurate was the most accurate? (Precise)

I guess I should also ask your precision goal? 3rnds 1 MOA, 5rnds .5 MOA, 10rnds .25 MOA?

Some clarification. I strive to develop a load using multiple powders, across various ambient temp brackets. So, I no longer put myself into the pickle of having my one "Goldie locks" powder go unavailable for resupply. I have back up powders then. The main takeaway point is Hammers facilitate this venture drastically compared to the non-machined lead bullets.

 

[bmart2622]

I’ve never wanted to shoot hammer bullets, so I can’t speak to them. However, I’ve never had to do a seating depth test with any bullet to find an accurate load. I always thought it to be pretty easy.

Agreed 100%

 

[Gargoyle]

Agreed 100%

You also found that without testing there is no need for testing?

 

[bmart2622]

You also found that without testing there is no need for testing?

Not sure where I said I dont test?!?!? I will never shoot a copper bullet unless I have to, I also have never taken 150 rds to develop a load. Depending on the rifle, I load for mag length, if mag length isnt an issue I load .030 off the lands. Ive found small seating depth changes to be a waste of components.

 

[Gargoyle]

Not sure where I said I dont test?!?!? I will never shoot a copper bullet unless I have to, I also have never taken 150 rds to develop a load. Depending on the rifle, I load for mag length, if mag length isnt an issue I load .030 off the lands. Ive found small seating depth changes to be a waste of components.

Oh, so your 100% in agreement was about not using copper bullets. I got the impression you were agreeing to the entire two component post. Ok, that clarifies things.

Using a 150rnds for a load development isn't a hard feat when, as previously stated, using an array of powders and shooting in differing temperatures. I want all them bullets in a group to touch all the time! No fliers. If one is content with up to 1.5-2MOA 3 shot groups, well yes then no need for 150rnds. Probably 15.

Edited: What is your aversion to copper bullets?

 

[bmart2622]

Definitely not content with 1.5-2.0 moa groups and 3 shot groups dont do much for me, I can still get it done in way less than 150 rds ans usually start with 2-3 different powders. Lack of BC and small holes

 

[N2TRKYS]

If you've never done a seating depth test, how do you know the load you deemed accurate was the most accurate? (Precise)

I guess I should also ask your precision goal? 3rnds 1 MOA, 5rnds .5 MOA, 10rnds .25 MOA?

Some clarification. I strive to develop a load using multiple powders, across various ambient temp brackets. So, I no longer put myself into the pickle of having my one "Goldie locks" powder go unavailable for resupply. I have back up powders then. The main takeaway point is Hammers facilitate this venture drastically compared to the non-machined lead bullets.

MOA or less, usually, less. I don’t shoot or develop loads during the summer, so the temp sensitivity thing never makes any difference to me. Heck, I’ve never had any issues getting any bullet to shoot accurately without burning through a pile of components.

I stocked up on components early on, so I’m not worried about running out, either.

 

[Gargoyle]

MOA or less, usually, less. I don’t shoot or develop loads during the summer, so the temp sensitivity thing never makes any difference to me. Heck, I’ve never had any issues getting any bullet to shoot accurately without burning through a pile of components.

I stocked up on components early on, so I’m not worried about running out, either.

Love the 20-30 degree load development sessions.

 

[MHWASH]

ELDMs and NABs I've burnt through 150rnds to a tune of a mind blending dick dance trying to get what I do with Hammer Hunters.

With comments like this, I find it extremely difficult to give any merit to your experiences.

 

[Gargoyle]

I can still get it done in way less than 150 rds ans usually start with 2-3 different powders. Lack of BC and small holes

You are comparing two wholly sperate load development programs with this 150rnds thing between you and I. I would think it absurd to use that many rounds to test one powder/bullet combo for precision and would definitely abandon the venture far before 150rnds. I don't know how much more I can try to clarify this point.

 

[Gargoyle]

With comments like this, I find it extremely difficult to give any merit to your experiences.

I take it you skipped over the context clarification? I mean, with a post like this, it's quite evident. I can explain things for you, but I can't comprehend them for you, however.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Love the 20-30 degree load development sessions.

Me too. That’s why I do it.