streamerfish
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Probably a jerk move that some of us were hijacking the SHOT show thread. Apologies everyone.
I find the discourse on the 7mm Backcountry interesting. I don't have an issue or disagreement with the belied that the alloy case allows for an improvement over current offerings.
I just don't think, as currently configured its some kind of ground breaking situation. (maybe it will be in the future). Your running 200ish fps maybe 250fps faster then a 7 SAUM , 7mm WSM, 280 AI range regardless of barrel length. Clearly an improvement. Your buying 100-150 yards more range before hitting 1800fps to shoot at animals, your buying a bit flatter trajectory. (btw, how was the 7 SAUM not more popular, was it just a decade too early...food for thought).
Or looking at it another way that was brought up. Your buying roughly equivalent ballistics to a 7mm prc/ 7mm mag in 4" less barrel. And really running this direction probably favors the backcountry more as you go shorter due to the faster burning powder. The slower burning powders are going to get progressively worse the shorter the barrel. Which flips it back to the above paragraph.
Sooo...my conclusion is that it fills a nice niche for people that want to shoot heavy for caliber 7mm bullets in shorter barrels a little faster then what they can out of 280AI, 7 SAUM type.
I mean, lets be real. At this point all we are really doing is filling in niches from a cartridge standpoint.
And for me, Just to set the parameters. I need something like 30%+ movement to consider something like this groundbreaking. 225/250 yards + over other options for max range.
Also to address some of the stuff on the other thread.
Yes, I know and understand that factory ammunition makers often times use either powders not available for purchase to the public, or proprietary blends of available powder. I would contend that it is fairly rare for the factory ammunition to be rated quite a bit faster then publicly available reloading data. But, then again, maybe it happens more often then I realize and I just haven't paid close enough attention....
People pointed out that recoil was just a cool afterthought and not a primary concern. Which I guess makes sense to me how people think that. If your shooting rifles with over 25ftlbs of recoil, do you really care about a little bit of recoil shift one way or another. Maybe not.
I find the discourse on the 7mm Backcountry interesting. I don't have an issue or disagreement with the belied that the alloy case allows for an improvement over current offerings.
I just don't think, as currently configured its some kind of ground breaking situation. (maybe it will be in the future). Your running 200ish fps maybe 250fps faster then a 7 SAUM , 7mm WSM, 280 AI range regardless of barrel length. Clearly an improvement. Your buying 100-150 yards more range before hitting 1800fps to shoot at animals, your buying a bit flatter trajectory. (btw, how was the 7 SAUM not more popular, was it just a decade too early...food for thought).
Or looking at it another way that was brought up. Your buying roughly equivalent ballistics to a 7mm prc/ 7mm mag in 4" less barrel. And really running this direction probably favors the backcountry more as you go shorter due to the faster burning powder. The slower burning powders are going to get progressively worse the shorter the barrel. Which flips it back to the above paragraph.
Sooo...my conclusion is that it fills a nice niche for people that want to shoot heavy for caliber 7mm bullets in shorter barrels a little faster then what they can out of 280AI, 7 SAUM type.
I mean, lets be real. At this point all we are really doing is filling in niches from a cartridge standpoint.
And for me, Just to set the parameters. I need something like 30%+ movement to consider something like this groundbreaking. 225/250 yards + over other options for max range.
Also to address some of the stuff on the other thread.
Yes, I know and understand that factory ammunition makers often times use either powders not available for purchase to the public, or proprietary blends of available powder. I would contend that it is fairly rare for the factory ammunition to be rated quite a bit faster then publicly available reloading data. But, then again, maybe it happens more often then I realize and I just haven't paid close enough attention....
People pointed out that recoil was just a cool afterthought and not a primary concern. Which I guess makes sense to me how people think that. If your shooting rifles with over 25ftlbs of recoil, do you really care about a little bit of recoil shift one way or another. Maybe not.
