6mm prc

SAUMan

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I appreciate the good discussion in this thread. I just placed an order for a 6 PRC thru Unknown Munitions and am going to start gathering reloading components. I have previously been reloading for a 7 mm REM mag, and have a number of powder and primer options there, but will need 6.5 PRC brass and dies, as well as a neck bushing to get to 6mm. My plan is to run the 108’s and 115’s primarily and lapua brass . Curious what the consensus recommendation would be for someone without any 6 PRC dies and bushings to purchase. Is the SAC option worth the money?
I spoke with UM today about this project, but I'm simply looking to replace a factory Tikka T3x .270 WSM barrel with an identically contoured drop-in. I'm partial to that dark laminate stock, and accuracy ought to be good enough, I reckon out of that sporter barrel.

I'm curious to know if you've gotten your barrel from UM yet. I see this post was about 3 months ago.

I developed my own 6 SAUM 15 years ago from the 7 SAUM parent case. We didn't have nearly the options of rifle or reloading components available today. As I recall, I used a Redding .25-.300 SAUM die for the first pass on Remington brass, and them a Redding 6mm/300 SAUM die to finish. Had lots of issues with bending case necks on the old Remington brass due to the metallurgy and the fact that Ibwas running a .300 SAUM-based die with 7mm SAUM cases, which have longer necks. I had to turn necks, also. I had it chambered in a Remington Sporter weight Lilja 3-groove barrel, and eventually got to 1/4 MOA, but was never able to come near it again. Accuracy deteriorated seemingly in 80 - 100 shots. I decided maybe my luck with the 1/4 MOA was a lucky fluke. I didn't have access to a bore scope. I concluded the case was too overbore for the 6mm realm and remade another in .257, which did much better. I used a sleeved Krieger #2 barrel for this one, though. That may have had lots to do with it.


I had 105gr VLDs and 115gr VLDs, but experimented almost exclusively with the 105s. Speeds up to 3400 in my thin 24" barrel were possible. For hunting, I decided on Sierra ProHunter 100gr flat bases.🤣
That bullet in the 6mm SAUM (I dubbed the .245 Sabertooth), was an artillery piece on game. I could get 3450 or a little better out of the 100gr (those have a thicker jacket than normal, btw), but settled on 3350 ft/s for best accuracy. I completely blew up a 65lb coyote at maybe 100 yards. It literally put a hole larger than a softball through his neck. I was able to shoot 1 smaller 7-pt buck at a mere 20 yards with that load. It picked the deer up, flipped him 180 degrees head over feet backward (he was quartering to me), had a small hole going in, a slightly larger hole going out (high shoulder), and very little meat damage. Narrowly missed the heart and barely clipped the top of the lungs, but his spine was ruptured about a foot above the wound channel. Hydraulic shock was incredible! Spinal fluid leaked out when I hoisted him up. Things would have been SOOO much easier with ADG (or similar) brass and 6.5 SAUM cases and bushing dies. I'm still of the opinion that a 6mm probably ought to stay below 70 grains of water for maximum case capacity. I passed on their (UM) 6mm UM. I've seen that around the 3300 ft/s mark with 100-ish grain bullets, BAD things happen to live targets. I could probably get close to that with a long-throated 6mm Remington with enough barrel.

I would guess the 6mm PRC would be closer to the 6mm-06 AI than the standard 6mm-06 because it about splits the difference in case capacity and it operates at 5,000psi higher pressure than the standard '06, I believe. Certainly, there are the advantages of the shorter case, including more consistent powder burn.

I would prefer a 5R or 6-groove for something like this. It seems often the more grooves, the less bearing surface/friction and the more speed. This may not always be true, and I'm aware the more grooves, the more fouling. Quality lapping can mitigate much of that.

I believe, for my money, the 6 PRC (unaltered from parent other than neck diameter) is about at the limit of the amount of cartridge I want to fire from a .243" platform. It would make a great replacement for the factory .270 WSM barrel in the lightweight Tikka Stainless Laminate, as well. I recall there was a modest amount of recoil, even in a sub-7lb platform I used 15 years ago.

I'm interested to hear how your experience with Unknown Munitions on this project is going! Great thread!
 

Dobie07

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I spoke with UM today about this project, but I'm simply looking to replace a factory Tikka T3x .270 WSM barrel with an identically contoured drop-in. I'm partial to that dark laminate stock, and accuracy ought to be good enough, I reckon out of that sporter barrel.

I'm curious to know if you've gotten your barrel from UM yet. I see this post was about 3 months ago.

I developed my own 6 SAUM 15 years ago from the 7 SAUM parent case. We didn't have nearly the options of rifle or reloading components available today. As I recall, I used a Redding .25-.300 SAUM die for the first pass on Remington brass, and them a Redding 6mm/300 SAUM die to finish. Had lots of issues with bending case necks on the old Remington brass due to the metallurgy and the fact that Ibwas running a .300 SAUM-based die with 7mm SAUM cases, which have longer necks. I had to turn necks, also. I had it chambered in a Remington Sporter weight Lilja 3-groove barrel, and eventually got to 1/4 MOA, but was never able to come near it again. Accuracy deteriorated seemingly in 80 - 100 shots. I decided maybe my luck with the 1/4 MOA was a lucky fluke. I didn't have access to a bore scope. I concluded the case was too overbore for the 6mm realm and remade another in .257, which did much better. I used a sleeved Krieger #2 barrel for this one, though. That may have had lots to do with it.


I had 105gr VLDs and 115gr VLDs, but experimented almost exclusively with the 105s. Speeds up to 3400 in my thin 24" barrel were possible. For hunting, I decided on Sierra ProHunter 100gr flat bases.🤣
That bullet in the 6mm SAUM (I dubbed the .245 Sabertooth), was an artillery piece on game. I could get 3450 or a little better out of the 100gr (those have a thicker jacket than normal, btw), but settled on 3350 ft/s for best accuracy. I completely blew up a 65lb coyote at maybe 100 yards. It literally put a hole larger than a softball through his neck. I was able to shoot 1 smaller 7-pt buck at a mere 20 yards with that load. It picked the deer up, flipped him 180 degrees head over feet backward (he was quartering to me), had a small hole going in, a slightly larger hole going out (high shoulder), and very little meat damage. Narrowly missed the heart and barely clipped the top of the lungs, but his spine was ruptured about a foot above the wound channel. Hydraulic shock was incredible! Spinal fluid leaked out when I hoisted him up. Things would have been SOOO much easier with ADG (or similar) brass and 6.5 SAUM cases and bushing dies. I'm still of the opinion that a 6mm probably ought to stay below 70 grains of water for maximum case capacity. I passed on their (UM) 6mm UM. I've seen that around the 3300 ft/s mark with 100-ish grain bullets, BAD things happen to live targets. I could probably get close to that with a long-throated 6mm Remington with enough barrel.

I would guess the 6mm PRC would be closer to the 6mm-06 AI than the standard 6mm-06 because it about splits the difference in case capacity and it operates at 5,000psi higher pressure than the standard '06, I believe. Certainly, there are the advantages of the shorter case, including more consistent powder burn.

I would prefer a 5R or 6-groove for something like this. It seems often the more grooves, the less bearing surface/friction and the more speed. This may not always be true, and I'm aware the more grooves, the more fouling. Quality lapping can mitigate much of that.

I believe, for my money, the 6 PRC (unaltered from parent other than neck diameter) is about at the limit of the amount of cartridge I want to fire from a .243" platform. It would make a great replacement for the factory .270 WSM barrel in the lightweight Tikka Stainless Laminate, as well. I recall there was a modest amount of recoil, even in a sub-7lb platform I used 15 years ago.

I'm interested to hear how your experience with Unknown Munitions on this project is going! Great thread!
Lots of interesting info in your post @SAUMan! Unfortunately I’m still waiting on my UM build, the action and barrel are done, but waiting on the Rokstok.
 
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Lots of interesting info in your post @SAUMan! Unfortunately I’m still waiting on my UM build, the action and barrel are done, but waiting on the Rokstok.
Are they bedding the rokstok? I’d have a hard time waiting and not sticking the barreled action in something else in the mean time!
 

CareyJAF50

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UPDATE on my 6 PRC build previously mentioned

Mesa Summit TI Action
20" Spiral Fluted Bartlein 3B with supressor
Topped with an NX8 in an XLR Mag Chassis

108 Berger Elite Hunter
ADG 6.5 PRC brass necked down in 1 pass
GM215
Auto Trickler V4 on the A&D
Speeds measured on a Garmin Xero

I took both N565 and H1000 up to 59.5 gr and neither showed pressure signs. The speeds were a veryyyyy pleasant surprise, I was really hoping for 3200 but it ended up closer to 3300. N565 has been my go to in the 6.5 PRC since I started with it. The N565 yielded slightly better ES/SD, but the H1000 groups were significantly tighter across the ladder and still decenttttt ES.

N565- Avg 3275

H1000- Avg 3290
 

Johnc427

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UPDATE on my 6 PRC build previously mentioned

Mesa Summit TI Action
20" Spiral Fluted Bartlein 3B with supressor
Topped with an NX8 in an XLR Mag Chassis

108 Berger Elite Hunter
ADG 6.5 PRC brass necked down in 1 pass
GM215
Auto Trickler V4 on the A&D
Speeds measured on a Garmin Xero

I took both N565 and H1000 up to 59.5 gr and neither showed pressure signs. The speeds were a veryyyyy pleasant surprise, I was really hoping for 3200 but it ended up closer to 3300. N565 has been my go to in the 6.5 PRC since I started with it. The N565 yielded slightly better ES/SD, but the H1000 groups were significantly tighter across the ladder and still decenttttt ES.

N565- Avg 3275

H1000- Avg 3290
Sounds wicked. I want to see the rifle!
 

rousseb

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I spoke with UM today about this project, but I'm simply looking to replace a factory Tikka T3x .270 WSM barrel with an identically contoured drop-in. I'm partial to that dark laminate stock, and accuracy ought to be good enough, I reckon out of that sporter barrel.

I'm curious to know if you've gotten your barrel from UM yet. I see this post was about 3 months ago.

I developed my own 6 SAUM 15 years ago from the 7 SAUM parent case. We didn't have nearly the options of rifle or reloading components available today. As I recall, I used a Redding .25-.300 SAUM die for the first pass on Remington brass, and them a Redding 6mm/300 SAUM die to finish. Had lots of issues with bending case necks on the old Remington brass due to the metallurgy and the fact that Ibwas running a .300 SAUM-based die with 7mm SAUM cases, which have longer necks. I had to turn necks, also. I had it chambered in a Remington Sporter weight Lilja 3-groove barrel, and eventually got to 1/4 MOA, but was never able to come near it again. Accuracy deteriorated seemingly in 80 - 100 shots. I decided maybe my luck with the 1/4 MOA was a lucky fluke. I didn't have access to a bore scope. I concluded the case was too overbore for the 6mm realm and remade another in .257, which did much better. I used a sleeved Krieger #2 barrel for this one, though. That may have had lots to do with it.


I had 105gr VLDs and 115gr VLDs, but experimented almost exclusively with the 105s. Speeds up to 3400 in my thin 24" barrel were possible. For hunting, I decided on Sierra ProHunter 100gr flat bases.🤣
That bullet in the 6mm SAUM (I dubbed the .245 Sabertooth), was an artillery piece on game. I could get 3450 or a little better out of the 100gr (those have a thicker jacket than normal, btw), but settled on 3350 ft/s for best accuracy. I completely blew up a 65lb coyote at maybe 100 yards. It literally put a hole larger than a softball through his neck. I was able to shoot 1 smaller 7-pt buck at a mere 20 yards with that load. It picked the deer up, flipped him 180 degrees head over feet backward (he was quartering to me), had a small hole going in, a slightly larger hole going out (high shoulder), and very little meat damage. Narrowly missed the heart and barely clipped the top of the lungs, but his spine was ruptured about a foot above the wound channel. Hydraulic shock was incredible! Spinal fluid leaked out when I hoisted him up. Things would have been SOOO much easier with ADG (or similar) brass and 6.5 SAUM cases and bushing dies. I'm still of the opinion that a 6mm probably ought to stay below 70 grains of water for maximum case capacity. I passed on their (UM) 6mm UM. I've seen that around the 3300 ft/s mark with 100-ish grain bullets, BAD things happen to live targets. I could probably get close to that with a long-throated 6mm Remington with enough barrel.

I would guess the 6mm PRC would be closer to the 6mm-06 AI than the standard 6mm-06 because it about splits the difference in case capacity and it operates at 5,000psi higher pressure than the standard '06, I believe. Certainly, there are the advantages of the shorter case, including more consistent powder burn.

I would prefer a 5R or 6-groove for something like this. It seems often the more grooves, the less bearing surface/friction and the more speed. This may not always be true, and I'm aware the more grooves, the more fouling. Quality lapping can mitigate much of that.

I believe, for my money, the 6 PRC (unaltered from parent other than neck diameter) is about at the limit of the amount of cartridge I want to fire from a .243" platform. It would make a great replacement for the factory .270 WSM barrel in the lightweight Tikka Stainless Laminate, as well. I recall there was a modest amount of recoil, even in a sub-7lb platform I used 15 years ago.

I'm interested to hear how your experience with Unknown Munitions on this project is going! Great thread!
It’s the 65lb coyote for me.
 

SAUMan

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What do you all think about rebarreling a win 70 300wsm to 6prc? I've got one for sale but this cartridge has me intrigued.
I was in the same boat with the 270 WSM. I was advertising an $1150 Tikka laminate for $850 unfired in box without a hint of interest. So my choices were give it away, shoot it and deal with the recoil and hope the factory barrel is good, or make it into something that would kick less with same bolt face. I chose option 3.
 

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I was in the same boat with the 270 WSM. I was advertising an $1150 Tikka laminate for $850 unfired in box without a hint of interest. So my choices were give it away, shoot it and deal with the recoil and hope the factory barrel is good, or make it into something that would kick less with same bolt face. I chose option 3.
Your logic appeals to me. I'm in ha
 
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Does anyone have experience with a 6mm-06 or 243 Super Rock Chucker and the 6PRC for comparison? I noticed case water capacity is very very close - the PRC is probably a bit more efficient and a bit more velocity I’m guessing?

A 1:10 243 Super Rock Chucker barrel fell out of the sky - so I’m limited to 100 gr bullets, but it might be a gateway drug to a PRC or other big 6mm with a faster twist. Lol
I don’t have any experience, but I’m waiting on a 16.5” 6 PRC barrel from PBB then I got an itch to read all of P.O. Ackley’s books and I now want to build a 6mm-06AI or 6mm-270AI. I hope you share your results from your barrel!!
 
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I spoke with UM today about this project, but I'm simply looking to replace a factory Tikka T3x .270 WSM barrel with an identically contoured drop-in. I'm partial to that dark laminate stock, and accuracy ought to be good enough, I reckon out of that sporter barrel.

I'm curious to know if you've gotten your barrel from UM yet. I see this post was about 3 months ago.

I developed my own 6 SAUM 15 years ago from the 7 SAUM parent case. We didn't have nearly the options of rifle or reloading components available today. As I recall, I used a Redding .25-.300 SAUM die for the first pass on Remington brass, and them a Redding 6mm/300 SAUM die to finish. Had lots of issues with bending case necks on the old Remington brass due to the metallurgy and the fact that Ibwas running a .300 SAUM-based die with 7mm SAUM cases, which have longer necks. I had to turn necks, also. I had it chambered in a Remington Sporter weight Lilja 3-groove barrel, and eventually got to 1/4 MOA, but was never able to come near it again. Accuracy deteriorated seemingly in 80 - 100 shots. I decided maybe my luck with the 1/4 MOA was a lucky fluke. I didn't have access to a bore scope. I concluded the case was too overbore for the 6mm realm and remade another in .257, which did much better. I used a sleeved Krieger #2 barrel for this one, though. That may have had lots to do with it.


I had 105gr VLDs and 115gr VLDs, but experimented almost exclusively with the 105s. Speeds up to 3400 in my thin 24" barrel were possible. For hunting, I decided on Sierra ProHunter 100gr flat bases.🤣
That bullet in the 6mm SAUM (I dubbed the .245 Sabertooth), was an artillery piece on game. I could get 3450 or a little better out of the 100gr (those have a thicker jacket than normal, btw), but settled on 3350 ft/s for best accuracy. I completely blew up a 65lb coyote at maybe 100 yards. It literally put a hole larger than a softball through his neck. I was able to shoot 1 smaller 7-pt buck at a mere 20 yards with that load. It picked the deer up, flipped him 180 degrees head over feet backward (he was quartering to me), had a small hole going in, a slightly larger hole going out (high shoulder), and very little meat damage. Narrowly missed the heart and barely clipped the top of the lungs, but his spine was ruptured about a foot above the wound channel. Hydraulic shock was incredible! Spinal fluid leaked out when I hoisted him up. Things would have been SOOO much easier with ADG (or similar) brass and 6.5 SAUM cases and bushing dies. I'm still of the opinion that a 6mm probably ought to stay below 70 grains of water for maximum case capacity. I passed on their (UM) 6mm UM. I've seen that around the 3300 ft/s mark with 100-ish grain bullets, BAD things happen to live targets. I could probably get close to that with a long-throated 6mm Remington with enough barrel.

I would guess the 6mm PRC would be closer to the 6mm-06 AI than the standard 6mm-06 because it about splits the difference in case capacity and it operates at 5,000psi higher pressure than the standard '06, I believe. Certainly, there are the advantages of the shorter case, including more consistent powder burn.

I would prefer a 5R or 6-groove for something like this. It seems often the more grooves, the less bearing surface/friction and the more speed. This may not always be true, and I'm aware the more grooves, the more fouling. Quality lapping can mitigate much of that.

I believe, for my money, the 6 PRC (unaltered from parent other than neck diameter) is about at the limit of the amount of cartridge I want to fire from a .243" platform. It would make a great replacement for the factory .270 WSM barrel in the lightweight Tikka Stainless Laminate, as well. I recall there was a modest amount of recoil, even in a sub-7lb platform I used 15 years ago.

I'm interested to hear how your experience with Unknown Munitions on this project is going! Great thread!
Wow! You’ve definitely got some history with the 6’s!

Do you have any first hand experience with a 6mm-06, 6mm-270 or any of the variants?

I’m waiting on my 6 PRC barrel, but the nostalgic part of me wants to build a fast twist 6mm-06AI.

Thanks in advance!
 

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I don’t have any experience, but I’m waiting on a 16.5” 6 PRC barrel from PBB then I got an itch to read all of P.O. Ackley’s books and I now want to build a 6mm-06AI or 6mm-270AI. I hope you share your results from your barrel!!
What books do you recommend? I've been very interested in him since I got my 280ai which I still think is a really badass cartridge. But I have a model 70 that's begging for a new barrel and the 6.5 or 6-06 has been high on my list for a while.
 
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