6.5PRC vs 280AI

[ddowney24]

If your wife is shooting an elk in the shoulder with a Berger at 200 yards she placed it in the wrong spot. If she likes shooting elk in the shoulder then she is using the wrong bullet construction. A fragmenting bullet is meant to go behind the shoulder, in the crease, especially at those velocities. Knowing your bullet construction and where it should/shouldn't be placed is important.

What ranges do you typically shoot your elk at? What is your farthest kill on an elk and what was your gun/bullet? If a bull stepped out at 500 yards in unfavorable conditions, I'm assuming you mean wind, what would you use?

 

[jimh406]

This guy is hilarious.

If you take your advice from this guy then I can see why you believe what you do. He definitely has an old school way of looking at things. His main thing is energy on target and to many of us that is not the most important thing in killing an animal.

I wonder what your qualifications are compared to his ... I bet his are more than yours with respect to hunting and killing game. If you watch more than a quick moment or two, you'd know that he's been doing this a while as a builder, guide, and hunter.

Btw, he also discusses accuracy, how to tune rifles, how to develop loads, etc. He's hardly a energy on target only guy.

The 6.5 Creedmoor was made for targets. That doesn't mean it can't be used for hunting, but the origin is well documented.

 

[BjornF16]

I’ve shot plenty of deer with a 22 mag that doesn’t make it right. You shoot anything through the lungs it’s going to eventually die not rocket science.

Какая погода в Москве товарищ?

 

[ddowney24]

Pretty sure everyone on here knows where to place a shot it just doesn’t always happen like you planned. In her case she didn’t have the best rest and the bull turned when she shot hitting it in the shoulder had she been using my 300 WM it would have busted the shoulder and exited the other side bull DRT. As for unfavorably conditions 1st most hunts go to pieces as soon as they see antlers 2nd they’re rushing to get a shot no more bench 3rd the animal is going to play apart. 4th what the wind is doing here doesn’t mean it’s doing it 500 yards away. I believe every hunter is trying to shoot the animal in the correct spot but it doesn’t always happen so being under gunned with the wrong bullet is the 5th unfavorable condition. Picture of her Elk below after Chasing it for 2 hrs this was a good ending the Elk only suffered for 2 hours not 2 weeks.

 

[ddowney24]

I wonder what your qualifications are compared to his ... I bet his are more than yours with respect to hunting and killing game. If you watch more than a quick moment or two, you'd know that he's been doing this a while as a builder, guide, and hunter.

Btw, he also discusses accuracy, how to tune rifles, how to develop loads, etc. He's hardly a energy on target only guy.

The 6.5 Creedmoor was made for targets. That doesn't mean it can't be used for hunting, but the origin is well documented.

Pretty sure he’s killed a lot more stuff than you have probably forgotten more. And he doesn’t shoot Elk with a 6.5

 

[Flyjunky]

I wonder what your qualifications are compared to his ... I bet his are more than yours with respect to hunting and killing game. If you watch more than a quick moment or two, you'd know that he's been doing this a while as a builder, guide, and hunter.

Btw, he also discusses accuracy, how to tune rifles, how to develop loads, etc. He's hardly a energy on target only guy.

The 6.5 Creedmoor was made for targets. That doesn't mean it can't be used for hunting, but the origin is well documented.

If those are the qualifications I can point you to guys who have been involved in more than TWICE as many elk kills as this guy. Who also build rifles and shoot at world record long range levels.

Besides that, on this very site you can literally see evidence to the contrary. His talk on that video about shooting at distance was about energy on target. He mentioned that each time about shooting at distance.

He might be a very knowledgeable person but to say what he says is the gospel…well, not so much.

 

[JGRaider]

Goog Lord. downey24.....plain English would be appreciated. Talking out your keester is not appreciated BTW.

 

[ddowney24]

Goog Lord. downey24.....plain English would be appreciated. Talking out your keester is not appreciated BTW.

Out my keester interesting, and you’re telling me to speak English. BTW Keester isn’t

 

[Ryan Avery]

Nice !! Your the man !!

See ya!!

 

[Harvey_NW]

 

[mt100gr.]

There have been a couple threads lately that are damn near impossible to keep up with!!

Barnburners!! Rok on!

 

[wapitibob]

I learned there are 5 conditions to NOT killing an Elk !!!

 

[mt100gr.]

I learned there are 5 conditions to NOT killing an Elk !!!

Why do I still feel like there could be a 6th? Or even more...?

 

[MT_Wyatt]

I sure like it when the people just being ridiculous get nuked, straight up.

If this hadn’t had happened, I was going to reply with, “oh yeah, we’ll, I can show you TWICE as many jackasses who got punted off of Rokslide for simply not getting it and responding like they are in a grade school cafeteria.”

Why is it these folks also typically struggle with punctuation and articulating a point in written form?

 

[Harvey_NW]

I sure like it when the people just being ridiculous get nuked, straight up.

If this hadn’t had happened, I was going to reply with, “oh yeah, we’ll, I can show you TWICE as many jackasses who got punted off of Rokslide for simply not getting it and responding like they are in a grade school cafeteria.”

Why is it these folks also typically struggle with punctuation and articulating a point in written form?

Because they're listening to respond, not to be informed.

They was too busy thinkin bout how they was gonna tell that teachin lady she was wrong bout they not usin a comma or some shit

 

[Formidilosus]

Why is it these folks also typically struggle with punctuation and articulating a point in written form?

It’s a sign of a deeper thing; generally thought process and critical thinking skills. It’s not just in hunting/guns- it’s in everything. People want “heroes”, they want to believe in “authority” and assign “rightness” to those figures almost completely devoid of analytical thought about the actual subject.

As an example- “The Real Gunsmith” is someone that quite a few (maybe most) hunters of a certain age and demographic can identify with and see themselves in, therefor they latch onto what he says with little thought as to the objective truth of what is being stated.

 

[jimh406]

As an example- “The Real Gunsmith” is someone that quite a few (maybe most) hunters of a certain age and demographic can identify with and see themselves in, therefor they latch onto what he says with little thought as to the objective truth of what is being stated.

Stereotyping aside, I think the opposite is happening as well. People refuse to believe "The Real Gunsmith" and other people who offer opinions have any useful information because they disagree with him or others about a few things.

It's like politics. We are unlikely to find anyone that we completely agree with.

For guns, there are lot of similarities of all of the schools of thought. We just have to be openminded enough from our corner to see it.

 

[BarCO]

Stereotyping aside, I think the opposite is happening as well. People refuse to believe "The Real Gunsmith" and other people who offer opinions have any useful information because they disagree with him or others about a few things.

It's like politics. We are unlikely to find anyone that we completely agree with.

For guns, there are lot of similarities of all of the schools of thought. We just have to be openminded enough from our corner to see it.

I think the difference is one is implying certain methods don’t work which is not true. Nobody is a saying a magnum won’t work…

 

[PredatorSlayer]

It’s a sign of a deeper thing; generally thought process and critical thinking skills. It’s not just in hunting/guns- it’s in everything. People want “heroes”, they want to believe in “authority” and assign “rightness” to those figures almost completely devoid of analytical thought about the actual subject.

As an example- “The Real Gunsmith” is someone that quite a few (maybe most) hunters of a certain age and demographic can identify with and see themselves in, therefor they latch onto what he says with little thought as to the objective truth of what is being stated.

Did you see the picture he posted of his wife? I don’t think he falls into that demographic…or maybe he does and just has a ton of money…

 

[brockel]

4 bullets. One 6.5 140 grain Berger vld started at 3000fps. One 6.5 140 grain Berger vld started at 2800fps. One 7mm 160 grain accubond started at 3250fps. One 7mm 168 grain long range accubond started 2900fps. All of these were pulled from elk and all elk died with zero drama. Tell me which is which.