6.5PRC vs 280AI

[BarCO]

Yes Sir I have a 280AI Ridgeline FFT with VX5HD 3x15x44 Shooting 168 LRAB 60 grains RL 23 OVAL 3.33 pushing 3000 fps. Shoots lights out. I’ve had all of the above cartridges 6.5 PRC is nothing more than a 270 WSM and watch my wife shoot an elk in the shoulder at 200 yards with 140 Berger doing 3300 at the muzzle and spent 2 hours chasing him down . I’ve shot several bulls with 300 WM 200 and 300 yards in shoulder Bull DRT 165 Accubond 3250 at muzzle. You can kill an Elk with a 243 but is it ethical NO ! And with the new muzzle brakes recoil isn’t an issue. Also shot several with a 280 AI 140 Accubond most ran 20 to 40 yards. I hate to think that bull of a life time stepped out with unfavorable conditions at 500 and I had a 6.5 in my hand common sense should prevail here.

I haven’t had any issues killing elk with a .308 and .270 win. Don’t expect the 6.5 prc to be amy different. Certainly do not see how a .280 ai would be better.

 

[ddowney24]

Yes Sir I have a 280AI Ridgeline FFT with VX5HD 3x15x44 Shooting 168 LRAB 60 grains RL 23 OVAL 3.33 pushing 3000 fps. Shoots lights out. I’ve had all of the above cartridges 6.5 PRC is nothing more than a 270 WSM and watch my wife shoot an elk in the shoulder at 200 yards with 140 Berger doing 3300 at the muzzle and spent 2 hours chasing him down . I’ve shot several bulls with 300 WM 200 and 300 yards in shoulder Bull DRT 165 Accubond 3250 at muzzle. You can kill an Elk with a 243 but is it ethical NO ! And with the new muzzle brakes recoil isn’t an issue. Also shot several with a 280 AI 140 Accubond most ran 20 to 40 yards. I hate to think that bull of a life time stepped out with unfavorable conditions at 500 and I had a 6.5 in my hand common sense should prevail here.

Also to add my 300 WM is a Ridgeline TI with VX5HD 3x15x44 Talley Med Rings weight 6.3 pounds 24” barrel.

 

[ddowney24]

I haven’t had any issues killing elk with a .308 and .270 win. Don’t expect the 6.5 prc to be amy different. Certainly do not see how a .280 ai would be better.

Heavier bullets prevail when hunting Elk from experience, 300 WM is idea Elk cartridge and if I had my choice between a 6.5 PRC with 140 gr bullet and a 280 AI with a 168 gr bullet the 280 AI is a no brainer. And who shoots any big game animal with a match bullet 147 ELD-M that will for sure blow up on a shoulder hit. You learn how to hunt you won’t have to shoot them past 300 yards. All these long range hunters this days talk a lot of shit anc to lazy to walk.

 

[BarCO]

Heavier bullets prevail when hunting Elk from experience, 300 WM is idea Elk cartridge and if I had my choice between a 6.5 PRC with 140 gr bullet and a 280 AI with a 168 gr bullet the 280 AI is a no brainer. And who shoots any big game animal with a match bullet 147 ELD-M that will for sure blow up on a shoulder hit. You learn how to hunt you won’t have to shoot them past 300 yards. All these long range hunters this days talk a lot of shit anc to lazy to walk.

I historically have been archery, so distance isn’t a problem. I have enjoyed the long range process. Just a different way to hunt.

 

[ddowney24]

I historically have been archery, so distance isn’t a problem. I have enjoyed the long range process. Just a different way to hunt.

You need to watch someone with realistic ideas on long ranch The Real Gunsmith.

 

[JakeSCH]

Also to add my 300 WM is a Ridgeline TI with VX5HD 3x15x44 Talley Med Rings weight 6.3 pounds 24” barrel.

have you actually weighed it on a scale? They are usually way over advertised weight. Both of mine are.

It does seem like you are trolling but if you do stick around rokslide hopefully you will read others research around your assertions. Search and read all posts from @Formidilosus

You don’t have to agree but the amount of data can’t be denied

 

[BarCO]

You need to watch someone with realistic ideas on long ranch The Real Gunsmith.

Seen it, doesn’t resonate with my experiences or others I hunt with.

 

[ddowney24]

have you actually weighed it on a scale? They are usually way over advertised weight. Both of mine are.

It does seem like you are trolling but if you do stick around rokslide hopefully you will read others research around your assertions. Search and read all posts from @Formidilosus

You don’t have to agree but the amount of data can’t be denied

 

[Flyjunky]

No question 280AI !!! Comparing a 6.5 PRC to a 280 AI is like Comparing 280AI to a 300 WM No question 300 WM !!! And there’s only about 1% of hunters that have the ability to be shooting over 500 yards in hunting situations. Easy to ring a piece of metal off a bench at 1000 yards. Unethical to be shooting animals at that distance period, Elk takes a step when you pull the trigger you shot him in the guts, ass or shoulder if it’s with a 6.5 of any sort the Elk definitely runs off never to be found, with 300 you have a little hope. A 6.5 is for a perfect shot on an Elk through the rib cage that’s under 500 yards. They don’t show you on Best of the West the animals they cripple up only the ones that go right down. We all want to be Chris Kyle but we all don’t have the capability so leave it to the 1% that do less crippled animals running around.

I would say the same thing about the average hunter taking off hand shots and shots at running game. I'd even go as far to say that more animals are wounded under 200 yards every year as are wounded at 500+, simply because a vast majority of shots are less than 300 yards.

As far as a 6.5 on elk at 500+, it really depends on where it's hit, not the caliber.

 

[BarCO]

I would say the same thing about the average hunter taking off hand shots and shots at running game. I'd even go as far to say that more animals are wounded under 200 yards every year as are wounded at 500+, simply because a vast majority of shots are less than 300 yards.

As far as a 6.5 on elk at 500+, it really depends on where it's hit, not the caliber.

No doubt, the amount of information shows it really has nothing to do with the stamp on the brass.

 

[Flyjunky]

Yes Sir I have a 280AI Ridgeline FFT with VX5HD 3x15x44 Shooting 168 LRAB 60 grains RL 23 OVAL 3.33 pushing 3000 fps. Shoots lights out. I’ve had all of the above cartridges 6.5 PRC is nothing more than a 270 WSM and watch my wife shoot an elk in the shoulder at 200 yards with 140 Berger doing 3300 at the muzzle and spent 2 hours chasing him down . I’ve shot several bulls with 300 WM 200 and 300 yards in shoulder Bull DRT 165 Accubond 3250 at muzzle. You can kill an Elk with a 243 but is it ethical NO ! And with the new muzzle brakes recoil isn’t an issue. Also shot several with a 280 AI 140 Accubond most ran 20 to 40 yards. I hate to think that bull of a life time stepped out with unfavorable conditions at 500 and I had a 6.5 in my hand common sense should prevail here.

If your wife is shooting an elk in the shoulder with a Berger at 200 yards she placed it in the wrong spot. If she likes shooting elk in the shoulder then she is using the wrong bullet construction. A fragmenting bullet is meant to go behind the shoulder, in the crease, especially at those velocities. Knowing your bullet construction and where it should/shouldn't be placed is important.

What ranges do you typically shoot your elk at? What is your farthest kill on an elk and what was your gun/bullet? If a bull stepped out at 500 yards in unfavorable conditions, I'm assuming you mean wind, what would you use?

 

[Ryan Avery]

Heavier bullets prevail when hunting Elk from experience, 300 WM is idea Elk cartridge and if I had my choice between a 6.5 PRC with 140 gr bullet and a 280 AI with a 168 gr bullet the 280 AI is a no brainer. And who shoots any big game animal with a match bullet 147 ELD-M that will for sure blow up on a shoulder hit. You learn how to hunt you won’t have to shoot them past 300 yards. All these long range hunters this days talk a lot of shit anc to lazy to walk.

First!! I would go read the rules at the top of the this forum!!

80 yards with 147 ELD-M broke both shoulders.


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[Flyjunky]

You need to watch someone with realistic ideas on long ranch The Real Gunsmith.

This guy can't be serious. He says, "the 6.5 creedmore was never designed to be a hunting cartridge, it was designed as a precision target cartridge".

If headstamp doesn't matter as much as putting the bullet in the correct spot than wouldn't a cartridge designed "for precision" make sense?

First!! I would go read the rules at the top of the this forum!!

80 yards with 147 ELD-M broke both shoulders.


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Ryan, what was the muzzle velocity?

 

[Ryan Avery]

This guy can't be serious. He says, "the 6.5 creedmore was never designed to be a hunting cartridge, it was designed as a precision target cartridge".

If headstamp doesn't matter as much as putting the bullet in the correct spot than wouldn't a cartridge designed "for precision" make sense?

Ryan, what was the muzzle velocity?

3040 FPS

 

[Flyjunky]

You need to watch someone with realistic ideas on long ranch The Real Gunsmith.

This guy is hilarious.

If you take your advice from this guy then I can see why you believe what you do. He definitely has an old school way of looking at things. His main thing is energy on target and to many of us that is not the most important thing in killing an animal.

 

[Flyjunky]

3040 FPS

Thank you.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

Yes Sir I have a 280AI Ridgeline FFT with VX5HD 3x15x44 Shooting 168 LRAB 60 grains RL 23 OVAL 3.33 pushing 3000 fps. Shoots lights out. I’ve had all of the above cartridges 6.5 PRC is nothing more than a 270 WSM and watch my wife shoot an elk in the shoulder at 200 yards with 140 Berger doing 3300 at the muzzle and spent 2 hours chasing him down . I’ve shot several bulls with 300 WM 200 and 300 yards in shoulder Bull DRT 165 Accubond 3250 at muzzle. You can kill an Elk with a 243 but is it ethical NO ! And with the new muzzle brakes recoil isn’t an issue. Also shot several with a 280 AI 140 Accubond most ran 20 to 40 yards. I hate to think that bull of a life time stepped out with unfavorable conditions at 500 and I had a 6.5 in my hand common sense should prevail here.

I would educate yourself a little bit before you start throwing around calibers and cartridges with the ethics word. This is a good place to start. Lots of real world experience with pictures and evidence.

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[BjornF16]

You need to watch someone with realistic ideas on long ranch The Real Gunsmith.

Troll alert

 

[ddowney24]

have you actually weighed it on a scale? They are usually way over advertised weight. Both of mine are.

It does seem like you are trolling but if you do stick around rokslide hopefully you will read others research around your assertions. Search and read all posts from @Formidilosus

You don’t have to agree but the amount of data can’t be denied

Yes weighed it on a scale.

 

[ddowney24]

I would educate yourself a little bit before you start throwing around calibers and cartridges with the ethics word. This is a good place to start. Lots of real world experience with pictures and evidence.

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...

rokslide.com

I’ve shot plenty of deer with a 22 mag that doesn’t make it right. You shoot anything through the lungs it’s going to eventually die not rocket science.