6.5 Creedmoor/260 for Deer, Elk, and whatever else.....

[jreyna]

Love my 6.5cm. Has done the job each time I've taken it White Tail hunting. Never had a deer run off. I keep it to reasonable ranged with high percentage shots and it does the trick.

 

[dmike]

All with ELD-X 143gr 6.5 creed. All deer were approx 100-125 yards, recovered 0-40 yards from the shot.

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Entrance. Exited out the front below the neck, did a backflip and done.

First shot at 100, follow up at about 175. Don't remember shot placement.

 

[magnum44270]

6.5x55 swede 142g ABLR at 2920fps. From 75yds to 710yds

Small whitetail buck 710yds. High shoulder/base of neck. Passthrough. Bang flop

Mature whitetail 175yds. Mid neck passthrough. Bang flop

Mature muley. 410yds frontal, passthrough in front of rear ham. Bang flop nose dive.

Young 5x4 bull elk 185yds. Broke front leg, heart and exit behind opposite shoulder. Took 3 steps and tipped over sideways.

Many others. Same results

 

[woods89]

Good to see some more results on here!

 

[OXN939]

Standard monos create relatively narrow, deep wounds. The result is on average longer times to incapacitation. I haven’t enough experience with HH’s to say, but I have not seen anything that makes me want to use them either.

This dude may be of interest to the discussion of how long monos take to kill.

 

[Formidilosus]

This dude may be of interest to the discussion of how long monos take to kill.

Both were CNS shots, correct?

 

[OXN939]

Both were CNS shots, correct?

Both were what I would describe as "high shoulder." Didn't see any visually obvious impacts to the CNS from either wound channel, but hydrostatic shock does weird things.

 

[Formidilosus]

Both were what I would describe as "high shoulder." Didn't see any visually obvious impacts to the CNS from either wound channel, but hydrostatic shock does weird things.

The video is good, however a high shoulder shot doesn’t say anything about terminal performance- and FMJ at the same spot kills instantly as well.

 

[grappling_hook]

Both were what I would describe as "high shoulder." Didn't see any visually obvious impacts to the CNS from either wound channel, but hydrostatic shock does weird things.

If you click on the settings (gear-shaped button) on the video, you can change the playback speed to .25. If you go to the 1 minute mark and play from where they already have it slowed down, you can see the impacts. Both look like low neck junction spine shots.

Cool vid.

 

[OXN939]

The video is good, however a high shoulder shot doesn’t say anything about terminal performance- and FMJ at the same spot kills instantly as well.

I don't have a lot of experience shooting animals with FMJs, but highly doubt an FMJ through the same wound channel those two animals had would have killed them like that. Also, if you watch the full video, you'll see the first buck of our hunt getting shot with a factory Nosler E Tip .270. It is dead before gravity starts pulling it downward.

Just my observations that 3 out of 3 large mature bucks we shot on that trip with varying kinds of copper monos and varying shot placements are all on film dying instantaneously.

 

[Formidilosus]

I don't have a lot of experience shooting animals with FMJs, but highly doubt an FMJ through the same wound channel those two animals had would have killed them like that. Also, if you watch the full video, you'll see the first buck of our hunt getting shot with a factory Nosler E Tip .270. It is dead before gravity starts pulling it downward.

Just my observations that 3 out of 3 large mature bucks we shot on that trip with varying kinds of copper monos and varying shot placements are all on film dying instantaneously.

I’m not saying they aren’t great terminally, I’m saying that the two on film had their spines effected which is why they dropped. Do you have pictures of the wound channels?

 

[Tmac]

Both were CNS shots, correct?

Both were what I would describe as "high shoulder." Didn't see any visually obvious impacts to the CNS from either wound channel, but hydrostatic shock does weird things.

A question. Is the brachial plexus considered a CNS hit, or is that generally meaning brain/spine, etc? I do know a shot there generally drops them, but not sure if that is considered part of the CNS or not. Regardless, if I understand that shot correctly, a high shoulder shot could hit it and not sever the spinal cord.

 

[Formidilosus]

A question. Is the brachial plexus considered a CNS hit, or is that generally meaning brain/spine, etc? I do know a shot there generally drops them, but not sure if that is considered part of the CNS or not. Regardless, if I understand that shot correctly, a high shoulder shot could hit it and not sever the spinal cord.

The spine or brain is what drops them immediately like that, it did not cut the spinal cord because they dropped straight down- severing the spinal cord in the chest causes the butt to drop first then head. The CNS WS clearly effected.

Either directly hitting the spine, fragments from the bullet or bone, or the temporary stretch cavity effects the spinal cord.

 

[Formidilosus]

A question. Is the brachial plexus considered a CNS hit

It is not.

 

[OXN939]

I’m saying that the two on film had their spines effected which is why they dropped. Do you have pictures of the wound channels?

It's certainly possible that the temporary wound channel's expansion would have created a pressure differential around the spine; both bucks showed a good amount of damage to their pulmonary tissue though, which would not have happened with an FMJ round. Not sure if Hunter has any stills- I was moving pretty quickly as there were grizzlies in the area.

Edit: Also figured out how to include a clip of the Nosler E Tip kill. As mentioned, this is from a .270, but pertinent to the discussion of copper monos. Range about 215 yards.

âï¸ Nosler E Tip

7 seconds · Clipped by C H · Original video "KODIAK ISLAND BLACKTAIL HUNT | PUBLIC LAND | THE HUNTER'S QUEST with Hunter McWaters" by Gritty Gear & Podcast

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[Formidilosus]

Edit: Also figured out how to include a clip of the Nosler E Tip kill. As mentioned, this is from a .270, but pertinent to the discussion of copper monos. Range about 215 yards.

âï¸ Nosler E Tip

7 seconds · Clipped by C H · Original video "KODIAK ISLAND BLACKTAIL HUNT | PUBLIC LAND | THE HUNTER'S QUEST with Hunter McWaters" by Gritty Gear & Podcast

youtube.com

That one is exactly what I talked about. You can see the impact location and it is a spine hit. That shot did permanent damage to the spinal cord. At the hit, the spinal cord is severed/destroyed, the electrical signals from the brain to the portion of the body past the damaged part of the spinal cord loses signal and drops- butt drops, head snaps up, rear legs tuck under, body looks paralyzed…. Because it is.

Here’s what severing the spinal cord looks like-



The other two shots were the same, the bushes just obscure what happened. Here the reaction after the hit, notice the head is up, butt is down-





While a cool video and good shots, it’s gives absolutely no information about how those bullets perform or the speed with which they kill- a 22cal full metal jacket bullet would cause the exact same reaction with the same placement. It’s the functional equivalent of brain shooting something- yes it’s dramatic, but doesn’t tell you anything terminally.

 

[OXN939]

That one is exactly what I talked about. You can see the impact location and it is a spine hit.

I butchered that animal and can tell you 100% conclusively that the wound channel was nowhere near the spine- I'm almost certain I have stills and/ or pictures showing that to be the case. Will update this thread with them after work

 

[Formidilosus]

I butchered that animal and can tell you 100% conclusively that the wound channel was nowhere near the spine- I'm almost certain I have stills and/ or pictures showing that to be the case. Will update this thread with them after work

I am not saying that the bullet itself struck the spine, I am saying that 100% without question fragments or the temporary stretch cavity effected the spinal cord. You can not have that reaction without it. There is no magic here, physiologically in order to get an instant drop the CNS must be disrupted. When you get a butt first, then head reaction, the CNS is permanently disrupted.

 

[35remy]

Arkansas whitetail taken at 304 yards with 125gr Deer Season factory ammo. Bullet expanded and stayed together with a good wound channel. Stopped in the other side of the hide without exiting. Ran 45 yards but didn’t spill much blood until the last 5.

 

[huntsd]

Running Barnes’s ttsx 120 out of a 6.5 creed. Shot a javelina at 200 yards and it did not pass through. Similar results for a doe at 400. No pass through