Im fairly certain that it was said that the cartridge is irrelevant and what mattered was bullet selection
To get to said impact velocity requires a certain cartridge though right?
Have been doing quite a bit of reading but have a question I have not been able to find answers on. I'll use the 77 grain TMK as an example - What I am seeing is a recommended impact velocity of 1900+. From your experience how much difference in damage is there between 2700 to 2300 and 1900. My overall question is if a bullet is designed for an impact range of 1900-2800, do you see many differences in damage throughout the recommended range with the more frangible bullets you recommend?In this context, the cartridge is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if the bullet came out of a 308win or a 30-377 Weatherby, at the same impact velocities the bullet does the same work.
Lets say we are shooting a 200 gr Accubond that requires 1800 fps to reliably open, lets also say that said bullet hits an elk at say 750 yds where said bullet is below 1800fps where a 300 ultra firing the same bullet would be above the 1800 fps threshold...seems like the cartridge would dictate the effectiveness of the exact same bullet being shot
Size matters, bro.Fudds will never be convinced even in the face of data that they don't need their uber magnums
I think you’re arguing semantics for the sake of arguing semantics. Again, this goes back to functional or relative relevance.Not as important and irrelevant are quite different in my eyes. Im no expert and will never claim to be. But in the 28 years Ive been buying elk tags Ive filled 26 of them, all with cup and core style bullets, never lost an elk and everyone that was shot more than once never required the 2nd shot due to the bullets performance, and none were shot with anything less than a 30 cal. Along with the elk Ive personally taken there have been at least that many taken by family members with the same results. Again Im not an expert and lots of guys have killed more elk than me but Ive had pretty good success....long story short...I pick the 3006
Have been doing quite a bit of reading but have a question I have not been able to find answers on. I'll use the 77 grain TMK as an example - What I am seeing is a recommended impact velocity of 1900+. From your experience how much difference in damage is there between 2700 to 2300 and 1900. My overall question is if a bullet is designed for an impact range of 1900-2800, do you see many differences in damage throughout the recommended range with the more frangible bullets you recommend?
My experiences with bonded bullets have been that damage goes down slightly at the top ranges as velocity goes down and then significantly once the bottom ends are reached. For instance, my 165 grain Interbonds are intended to expand well down to 2000 FPS. In my particular setup, that is reached at 500 yards- my self imposed limit for quite a few reasons outside of bullet performance. I do see a difference in damage at say 200 yards vs 450 yards as the bullets has lost about 400 FPS.
No hidden agenda with the question- just trying to understand why I have experienced what I have as compared to what you have.
If a bullet like the ELD-M impacts a shoulder, is the stretch cavity beyond the muscle and bone reduced with that style of bullet? I would assume it would be reduced due to losing a % of mass and speed going through everything before reaching the lungs.They’re good questions and your thoughts are correct. A kind of easier way to think about it is- the “tougher” a bullet is, the smaller the operating window for good performance will be. The same can be said for “frangible” bullets, which is why lightweight varmint bullets don’t penetrate very far. To over come that, you have to use heavy for caliber bullets when doing the ELD-M and X, Berger, TMK, etc. Then you get both sufficient penetration and exceptional wound channel sizes.
If a bullet like the ELD-M impacts a shoulder, is the stretch cavity beyond the muscle and bone reduced with that style of bullet? I would assume it would be reduced due to losing a % of mass and speed going through everything before reaching the lungs.
I ask because I have seen a damage increases with monos, and longer range (300 to 500 yards) bonded impacts when impacting the shoulder- I'm guessing because the denser muscle and bone aid in expansion and bone fragments also increase the amount of damage to the lungs but again, I haven't kept notes- may just be perception.
Thanks for taking the time to discuss.
long story short...I pick the 3006
I think I wanted clarity and asked for it and then stated my opinion backed up by objective evidence, thinking anything other than that would be a poor assumption on your behalf