300 WSM - Do you feel handicaped?

[frankrb3]

Here are my sons first two kills with a 300 WSM 168 Berger both DRT.
Elk at 10 feet

Whitetail at 319

Not to hijack this thread but what muzzle brake is on that tikka Ryan? Been thinking of having my tikka t3 light in 300wsm threaded for a terminator brake.

As for the OP question. I have never felt handicapped with the .300 WSM on deer, antelope or elk.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Not to hijack this thread but what muzzle brake is on that tikka Ryan? Been thinking of having my tikka t3 light in 300wsm threaded for a terminator brake.

As for the OP question. I have never felt handicapped with the .300 WSM on deer, antelope or elk.

It's a defensive edge break.


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[cscalvin]

I didn't feel handicapped until I read all the stuff that Broz posted on the 300 win 215 berger hybrid. Not sure I can stuff that bullet into my Kimber 8400 mag box. Want to try though. That data he has is awesome. Had I read that first I'd have gone Kimber win mag.

Your inbox is full. For the 215, to the lands is 2.29” from the ogive. I load them at 2.25” due to mag length. Shooting a FN PBR. 2770fps and consistently under 1/2 MOA.

 

[tm7554]

Your inbox is full. For the 215, to the lands is 2.29” from the ogive. I load them at 2.25” due to mag length. Shooting a FN PBR. 2770fps and consistently under 1/2 MOA.

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Thank you sir. Cleaned it out now, lol. Fine shooting right there.

 

[Vinootz]

I've seen a couple bears and an elk get shot at over a 1000 yards with 210 Bergers. The 300 WSM a pretty cool round IMO.

These long shots I’ve read on this thread
(900 &1000 yards) seem a bit far for elk with a 300wsm. Does anyone else feel that way? I’m also wondering if those guys are that good or tried it a few other times and left some wounded game suffering out there. Is there enough velocity for proper bullet expansion, are there enough ft. lbs of energy left at that range? You rarely hear of the instances they don’t harvest game properly. Yet we know many of these long range characters are are leaving lots of wounded game out there.
THAT’S A FACT !!!

 

[Ryan Avery]

These long shots I’ve read on this thread
(900 &1000 yards) seem a bit far for elk with a 300wsm. Does anyone else feel that way? I’m also wondering if those guys are that good or tried it a few other times and left some wounded game suffering out there. Is there enough velocity for proper bullet expansion, are there enough ft. lbs of energy left at that range? You rarely hear of the instances they don’t harvest game properly. Yet we know many of these long range characters are are leaving lots of wounded game out there.
THAT’S A FACT !!!

THAT'S A FACT with, bow, rifle or muzzleloader too. I would bet more elk are wounded with a bow, than elk wounded with a rifle shot passed 800 yards. A person has to know his/her limitations. But the 300 WSM with good handloads has enough velocity is kill an elk at 1000 yards.

 

[Vinootz]

THAT'S A FACT with, bow, rifle or muzzleloader too. I would bet more elk are wounded with a bow, than elk wounded with a rifle shot passed 800 yards. A person has to know his/her limitations. But the 300 WSM with good handloads has enough velocity is kill an elk at 1000 yards.

I would have thought 800 ft. Lbs of energy at 1400fps wouldn’t cut it. A hit in the vitals, no bone probably. But I was estimating at 1000 yards even a seasoned veteran might miss a few for every effective shot. I have no problem with long range hunters , as long as their percentage of harvests far outweigh the wounded, non recovered quarry.

 

[Vinootz]

THAT'S A FACT with, bow, rifle or muzzleloader too. I would bet more elk are wounded with a bow, than elk wounded with a rifle shot passed 800 yards. A person has to know his/her limitations. But the 300 WSM with good handloads has enough velocity is kill an elk at 1000 yards.

I would have thought 800 ft. Lbs of energy at 1400fps wouldn’t cut it. A hit in the vitals, no bone probably. But I was estimating at 1000 yards even a seasoned veteran might miss a few for every effective shot. I have no problem with long range hunters , as long as their percentage of harvests far outweigh the wounded,non recovered quarry. To each his /her own I guess.

 

[Ryan Avery]

I would have thought 800 ft. Lbs of energy at 1400fps wouldn’t cut it. A hit in the vitals, no bone probably. But I was estimating at 1000 yards even a seasoned veteran might miss a few for every effective shot. I have no problem with long range hunters , as long as their percentage of harvests far outweigh the wounded,non recovered quarry. To each his /her own I guess.

I agree those numbers are light and anyone shooting long better know their terminal ballistics. But a 300 WSM can do better than that. Justin on here is shooting 215 Berger’s at 2950. I know a few guys getting better speeds than that with 210s.

300 WSM with Unknown Munitions

I received my loaded ammo yesterday. It may be a little while before I'm able to get out and shoot but everything looks really good. Jake kept me in the loop all the way through the load development. You can see below the kind of detailed data analysis that he does to get the most optimized...

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[Deplorable77]

I saw the title of this thread and thought it was a trolling post, lol. Excellent baiting...

 

[Justin Crossley]

These long shots I’ve read on this thread
(900 &1000 yards) seem a bit far for elk with a 300wsm. Does anyone else feel that way? I’m also wondering if those guys are that good or tried it a few other times and left some wounded game suffering out there. Is there enough velocity for proper bullet expansion, are there enough ft. lbs of energy left at that range? You rarely hear of the instances they don’t harvest game properly. Yet we know many of these long range characters are are leaving lots of wounded game out there.
THAT’S A FACT !!!

The 300 WSM is more than capable of producing enough energy to kill elk at 1000 yards. Below you can see approximately what mine does at 6000 ft.

The actual FACT is that that range or weapon type has little to do with wounding animals. A person shooting outside THEIR max effective range with a given weapon is what leads to bad shots.

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[PathFinder]

I would have thought 800 ft. Lbs of energy at 1400fps wouldn’t cut it. A hit in the vitals, no bone probably. But I was estimating at 1000 yards even a seasoned veteran might miss a few for every effective shot. I have no problem with long range hunters , as long as their percentage of harvests far outweigh the wounded,non recovered quarry. To each his /her own I guess.

Dude you're so far off with everything you've said that I almost have to assume you're just trolling. Rokslide is really due for a purge these days.
Energy is a stupid metric for lethality. Knowing what kind of wound channel a bullet creates at a given velocity is much better. For example, ELD M expand/fragment down to as little as 1500 fps. Conservative preliminary numbers for the 300 WSM I'm working on give me 1500 fps out at 1400 yards (at 7500 feet). I'd feel very comfortable with it on an elk at 1000.

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[AK Troutbum]

What do you think now about the 300wsm? I gather since you originally posted this question 6 years ago, you’ve learned or realized that a 300wsm can handily take a full grown moose at 600 yards. Hence it would do nearly as well as .30 long case calibers. And I mean ones like 30-378,300 RUM. And although not as powerful as those cartridges, would handle what you wanted to do with it. So did you catch anything good with the cartridge? Don’t mind me, I’m always trying to revive old threads about Winchester Short Magnum cartridges. I own two 325wsm rifles and may convert them to 300wsm one day. Everyone will just have to live with my necropost- lol.

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[WCB]

If you look at it from a factory loaded ammo standpoint it the identical in ballistics to a standard .300wm. reloading some differences come out but in general they are identical...There is nothing i wouldn't shoot with a 300WSM that I would with a 300WM

 

[Steve O]

Lots of problems could be solved if people didn’t use “FACT” when they are giving an uniformed opinion.

My longest shot on game is 392 yards so I read these long range threads and try to learn and don’t offer my opinion. I do have a 300WSM and I have no idea how one could feel undergunned. I in fact built it when I passed up a shot on a big grizzly up in the Yukon when I felt slightly undergunned in the situation I was in with my .270.

 

[16Bore]

I’m swtiching to solids because they have more energy.

 

[tdhanses]

I’m swtiching to solids because they have more energy.

Maybe a solid lead round ball would be best.

 

[16Bore]

Maybe a solid lead round ball would be best.

Solid copper round ball in California.