.30-06 175 grain Terminal Ascent for Moose

[ianpadron]

Can't think of a single hunting situation id ever find myself in where id second guess that combo.

 

[medvedyt]

From a purely bullet standpoint, the TA is the best constructed bullet on the market. Period.

its an uodated version of the Bear Claw and Trophy Bonded Tip, and Edge TRL.

Its a bonded bullet with a lead core, and a solid copper shank at the base with a polymer tip and a boat tail design to help wind drift.

Its the best combination of every bullet on the market and I shoot it out of my 30-06, my 6.5 Creed and anything else that groups best.

That said, if it doesnt shoot well out of a gun--I'll look for something different because accuracy trumps everything. But i have a few guns it shoots sub-MOA and its all I need.

It is by far my most favorite bullet.

as usual with a pinch of salt. cupro nickel process is known to foul the barrel when used in bullet and even if not the same think about the fouling done with the first x bullet from barnes.

a great bullet certainly in design but some issues may appear after some use.

 

[z987k]

From a purely bullet standpoint, the TA is the best constructed bullet on the market. Period.

its an uodated version of the Bear Claw and Trophy Bonded Tip, and Edge TRL.

Its a bonded bullet with a lead core, and a solid copper shank at the base with a polymer tip and a boat tail design to help wind drift.

Its the best combination of every bullet on the market and I shoot it out of my 30-06, my 6.5 Creed and anything else that groups best.

That said, if it doesnt shoot well out of a gun--I'll look for something different because accuracy trumps everything. But i have a few guns it shoots sub-MOA and its all I need.

It is by far my most favorite bullet.

If the front wasn't bonded, THEN itd the best bullet on the market.

 

[6mm Remington]

Go forth with the 30-06 and shoot a giant bull moose! It will work great.

 

[Jack321]

If the front wasn't bonded, THEN itd the best bullet on the market.

Ummmm....no.

Bonded bullets lead to better weight retention and no bullet fragmentation.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Ummmm....no.

Bonded bullets lead to better weight retention and no bullet fragmentation.

And smaller wound channels.


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[Jack321]

And smaller wound channels.


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Thats pretty subjective.

It all depends on a multitude of factors:
What range did you hit the animal? Closer and faster fps (all things being equal) lead to greater expansion and larger disruption. Longer shots and slower velocity leads to less expansion and smaller disruption. Thats not an absolute.
Did you hit bone? Or slip it through just soft tissue? Did it ricochet off something and cause it to tumble? Did you shoot something that was outside the bullets prefered distances.

That TA bullet will expand out to 1000+ yds depending on the caliber used.

Ive shot it at everything from "thin skinned" antelope to elk and everything inbetween. Antelope as close as 148 yds and elk as far as 350 yds.

Ive also used Winchester XPs, Federal Trophy Coppers, Rem CoreLoks, Hornady SSTs, Nosler Accubonds, Rem Accutips, Barnes Sabots and a host of others successfully. They all pretty much work if you do your job.

But I will stand by my opinion that the TA is a fantastic bullet. And all things being equal, my most favorite bullet and had just about everything you'd want in a bullet. (Again if it shoots accurately in your gun.)

Get it and go hunt anything in N. America with confidence.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Thats pretty subjective.

It all depends on a multitude of factors:
What range did you hit the animal? Closer and faster fps (all things being equal) lead to greater expansion and larger disruption. Longer shots and slower velocity leads to less expansion and smaller disruption. Thats not an absolute.
Did you hit bone? Or slip it through just soft tissue? Did it ricochet off something and cause it to tumble? Did you shoot something that was outside the bullets prefered distances.

That TA bullet will expand out to 1000+ yds depending on the caliber used.

Ive shot it at everything from "thin skinned" antelope to elk and everything inbetween. Antelope as close as 148 yds and elk as far as 350 yds.

Ive also used Winchester XPs, Federal Trophy Coppers, Rem CoreLoks, Hornady SSTs, Nosler Accubonds, Rem Accutips, Barnes Sabots and a host of others successfully. They all pretty much work if you do your job.

But I will stand by my opinion that the TA is a fantastic bullet. And all things being equal, my most favorite bullet and had just about everything you'd want in a bullet. (Again if it shoots accurately in your gun.)

Get it and go hunt anything in N. America with confidence.

Not subjective at all. All of the parameters apply to cup and core bullets that apply to bonded ones.

Wound channels will be larger due to more violent upset of the cup and core bullet.


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[glock233]

Use the rifle you’re more accurate with. Keep your range under control to ensure your impact velocity is above ~2000 fps. The terminal ascent is not a great bullet for reliable low speed expansion.

I’d check to see if Hornady Grey Box (precision hunter ELDX) shoots well in your 3006. Would extend your range a good bit by being able to have reliable expansion at 1600-1800fps.

Moose aren’t that tough when shot with rifles. Quicker expanding bullets will extend your range and lead to quicker death, all things being equal.

 

[Jack321]

Not subjective at all. All of the parameters apply to cup and core bullets that apply to bonded ones.

Wound channels will be larger due to more violent upset of the cup and core bullet.


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By your definition a bullet shot from a TA at 50 yds will be the same as a cup/core bullet shot at 1,000yds.

As I said--subjective.

Moreover, a cup and core is more likely to pancake and/or lead be completely separate from the jacket leading to minimal penetration.

Its why you dont shoot V-Max bullets at elk or tougher game animal.

 

[glock233]

By your definition a bullet shot from a TA at 50 yds will be the same as a cup/core bullet shot at 1,000yds.

As I said--subjective.

Moreover, a cup and core is more likely to pancake and/or lead be completely separate from the jacket leading to minimal penetration.

Its why you dont shoot V-Max bullets at elk or tougher game animal.

This is nonsense. No common 30-06 cup and core is pancaking or failing to penetrate an Elk with only a 4-6" slab of meat guarding the vitals. We're not talking about elephants or cape buffalo.

 

[Jack321]

This is nonsense. No common 30-06 cup and core is pancaking or failing to penetrate an Elk with only a 4-6" slab of meat guarding the vitals. We're not talking about elephants or cape buffalo.

Lots of anecdotal posts on various forms about 30-06 cup-n-core bullets failing to penetrate.

A simple google search can find lots of posts on other forums. Heres just one i found in less than 10 seconds.

30-06 Core Lokt Failure to penetrate

I forgot about posting this until now. This past year my father shot a spiked buck at roughly 100 yards with a 165 grain core lokt out of a .30-06. He hit it square in the ribs. The deer dropped. Kicked around a little bit on it's back then ran/stumbled off. He found it laying down with blood com...

fishingminnesota.com

Understanding Bullet Construction and Margin of Error | Boone and Crockett Club https://share.google/zDKHhTIvOSQ812Zra

From Boone & Crockett [see attached pic].

Moreover, I doubt anyone is going to adequately recommend someone use this for elk/moose when other suitable options occur, due to lack of penetration:

Hornady Custom Lite 30-06 Springfield Ammo 125 Grain Hornady SST

Hornady Custom Lite ammunition provides reduced recoil and muzzle blast from standard cartridges, and puts the fun back into shooting for kids, women,...

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A 125gr bullet is shorter than a 150, 165, 180 or 220 and therefore MORE APT TO PANCAKE. This is physics! A fast moving projectile that is shorter than its longer counterparts and hits something flat is more likely to flatten just by sheer size of the projectile to other longer projectiles. Its why they have to lessen the charge otherwise it will be too fast and will pancake.

You want to shoot a 125gr Lite load for moose/elk, be my guest, good luck to ya!

All things being equal, cup-n-core bullets ARE more likely to pancake or separate.

Using a 165-180 gr Rem Core Lokt has killed TONS of game, up to an including moose, elk, and Kodiak Brown Bears.

I'm not arguing they CAN'T be effective.

I'm simply stating they are more likely to do so.

I've said my peace, not looking to continue this.

But I stand by my thoughts on the TA. Best current bullet design for N. American game. Not just in terms of construction but my own personal use. And given the option of similar groups I'd take the TA over any bullet design on the market today. By far my most favorite bullet (followed closely by the Trophy Bonded Tip, Bear Claw and the Nosler Partiton--which IS cup n core, as I'm sure you know.)