280ai or 6.5 creedmoor

[GKPrice]

Less awesome than an actual Creedmoor that would be better optimized to load in a short action and minimize case stretch with its steeper shoulders.

The Creedmoor is more popular than the 260 because of these reasons and the cheaper factory ammo.

the comparison between the CM and 260 seems much like the same between the .243 and 6mm Rem and look where THAT got us ?

 

[realunlucky]

I'm sure JC himself would pick the creedmore

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[dotman]

Does Kimber not make a 6.5x284? That would be my choice for a 6.5.

 

[Bmcox86]

The calibers offered for the hunter are
243
257 Roberts
6.5 CM
308
3006
270
280ai
7mm08


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[luke moffat]

Creed is taking off like a rocket. 280AI is a dud factory fodder wise....

Creed Montana WILL be one of the best, if not THE best off the rack offering of all time. Ammo-wise too...

More like the 280ai was so 2012-2013....now the 6.5 creedmor is hip. 5 years from now both will still just be another option to choose from and neither will be the "cool" option.

 

[AK Troutbum]

More like the 280ai was so 2012-2013....now the 6.5 creedmor is hip. 5 years from now both will still just be another option to choose from and neither will be the "cool" option.

I don't care what you say Luke, my .280ai is still super cool, just like my super bell bottom corduroy pants.... but I'm thinking that joke was wasted on you, because it was before your time.


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[GKPrice]

More like the 280ai was so 2012-2013....now the 6.5 creedmor is hip. 5 years from now both will still just be another option to choose from and neither will be the "cool" option.

There will ALWAYS be a "next big thing" to come along, it's what "capitalism" is all about - the CM has it's merits and I can see some fun times working up loads for it but I predict that when I'm merely dust in the wind and my Grandson cashes in on that Alaska moose trip I'll bequeath him, his guide will shoot a pissed off Griz on that hunt with his 338-06 and my Grandson will say "HOLY SHIT !! WHAT DID YOU HIT THAT BEAR WITH ??" and there you have it, they way things are and will be .........

 

[belly-deep]

More like the 280ai was so 2012-2013....now the 6.5 creedmor is hip. 5 years from now both will still just be another option to choose from and neither will be the "cool" option.

Truth! And pass me more ammo for the '06!

 

[16Bore]

Creed has too many things pointed in the right direction to ignore. Twist and bullets are a cool factor.

 

[luke moffat]

Most of the public could care less about twist rates no matter what cartridge they choose. Gonna be awfully hard to compete with the number of factory options of a 308 win or 30-06. Sure many of us loonies might think the 6.5 creed is nifty but the general public will decide if 6.5 will surpass the 308 and 30-06 in popularity. In reality most folks including myself shoot heir game inside 300 yards and there isn't much a 110 or 130 grain TTSX or 125 accubond can't do at the same recoil as a creedmor.

If recoil was really a concern then I'd go 243 with 80 grain TTSX.

But if wanting to hit animals to kill out at long range there is no denying the 280 ai is flatter and bringing more heat than the 6.5 or 308. If you want a 6.5 get one certainly will work but especially for handloaders it's not the best then to happen to firearms like many claim merely just another option. Like I said for most of us hunting ranges (400 yards or less) BC rarely if ever comes into play.

 

[16Bore]

They did get a 100 year+ headstart and were carried by generations of fellas. Still are. But if none of it "mattered" somebody wouldn't have invested the money to develop it nor would there be gobs of threads about it. Or websites hosting the discussions. It's always been a search for a better mouse trap and always will be. Anyone handloading knows pretty quick that magbox restrictions and barrel twist can handicap the full potential of a rig. Monkey around with the stuff enough and eventually something will work. I did it with my 260. Sure, great cartridge but hardly anything is twisted to handle 140+ grain bullets or a box long enough to hold them and use the full case capacity. At least that's not a custom.


So a fella can custom throat and load or grab something off the rack that's got better available ammo than a 260 could ever muster or ever will.

Call it an express trip to looneyville without all the drama.


I don't even own one of the damn things or intend to, but call a spade a spade....




We had all the "cartridge"we needed in 1903.

 

[Formidilosus]

Most of the public could care less about twist rates no matter what cartridge they choose.

If the public doesn't care about high BC bullets loaded in world class factory ammo with rifles throated and twisted correctly....Explain the Creedmoor then? It is the first offering to get everything as they ALL should be from ammo to rifles, and it is more successful than Hornady ever expected (though it wouldn't be). It's one of their most popular factory loaded ammo.

Yiu may not see it in Alaska yet, but the Creedmoor is huge in the continental US. In every gun store we visited this year in MT, WY, NE and NM there were more boxes of Creedmoor ammo than 260 Remington or 7-08, with genererally more options.



I love the- "who cares about fast twists", "my 308/7-08/30-06/etc does just fine".... Newsflash! 7mm and 30 calls have been twisted "fast" since the beginning. A 1-10" 30cal is equivalent to a 1-7.5" 6mm or a 1-7" .224.

 

[realunlucky]

Yet it still does nothing better than the 280 which is what this thread is about

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[luke moffat]

Haha ok why didn't you guys say you bought stock in Hornady? I wouldn't have said what I did. If it makes you feel any better I am likely going to buy one within the next two years, though I am still not sure how it will kill anything any better than my 308s or 243, but I guess that's why I want to get one to see it somehow kill animals better.

 

[16Bore]

Yet it still does nothing better than the 280 which is what this thread is about

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And a 280 does nothing better than a 270, so why bother? There isn't a bullet manufacturer out there that isn't chasing BC.

 

[belly-deep]

Yiu may not see it in Alaska yet, but the Creedmoor is huge in the continental US. In every gun store we visited this year in MT, WY, NE and NM there were more boxes of Creedmoor ammo than 260 Remington or 7-08, with genererally more options.

After working in retail, I'm not sure that in-store proliferation is a great indicator of consumer popularity. A lot of times, manufacturers will push new products hard, and offer them to retailers at very good margins. Not that long ago, there were herds of WSM's and RUM's waiting behind the counter, and all sorts of ammo to go with. Now you walk into a store and you might see 2-3 loadings for the 300 RUM and a few more for the WSM. At the time though, it seemed like everyone was buying one.

Time will tell.

 

[matthewmt]

Plasma ray or GTFO

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[Backpack Hunter]

Yiu may not see it in Alaska yet, but the Creedmoor is huge in the continental US. In every gun store we visited this year in MT, WY, NE and NM there were more boxes of Creedmoor ammo than 260 Remington or 7-08, with genererally more options.

You just listed 4 states, and how many gun stores in those states did you go to? My point being even if you went to every store in those states that it is still a small sample size.
Heck, if we are determining useful products by what is on the shelf in stores then the Butt Out tool has to rank right up there. Let's not forget the Kruncher deer call either.

 

[GKPrice]

The WSM mentioned earlier SHOULD be proof enough not to get on the pulpit and preach about "the ultimate cartridge EVER" .... they are good but are they "better" ? "My '06 is good enough" is still good enough for me (but I've got a CM to PLAY with, that means not take IT or myself too serious)
THAT'S what these things are all about after all ......

 

[Formidilosus]

Yep. Just a flash in the pan, what would the competition world know.....? you know the community that shoots more CF rounds in a month than the entire hunting community does in a year.