25 creed vs the others

[schmidty3]

I think his point was that by starting the 147 at the top of the velocity window for reliable terminal performance, as opposed to above that window, there isn’t a worry of being too fast for desired performance at close range.


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i have a feeling that the bullet will do just fine at 2800 fps. theres a lot of guys slinging them with magnums at 3200fps +. (i am about to be doing the same with my 25 prc and 133 bergers). I predict lots of meat jello in that guns future.

 

[wyosam]

i have a feeling that the bullet will do just fine at 2800 fps. theres a lot of guys slinging them with magnums at 3200fps +. (i am about to be doing the same with my 25 prc and 133 bergers). I predict lots of meat jello in that guns future.

No idea, just seemed to be the point he was making. I’m sure the’ll kill fine at those faster impacts, but might be messier than many want.


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[Jordan Smith]

I think his point was that by starting the 147 at the top of the velocity window for reliable terminal performance, as opposed to above that window, there isn’t a worry of being too fast for desired performance at close range.


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Yup. He missed the "non-point."

 

[Jordan Smith]

You realize that you effectively made a non-point in this debate? And You've unwittingly reinforced my point.

They both have eldms. The velocity expansion windows are the same.

I could take your exact paragraph, sub in 134 eldm, and the point would still be intact.

My current 147 load is 2675 fps. A 25 creed would comfortably send a mildly loaded 134 to 2850.

In this arbitrary condition in hot muggy houston...the 147 drops below 1800 at around 675 yards. The 25 keeps it past 800. Say ~125 yards more expansion range. That's not nothing. AND it gets to 800 with 1 mil less drop! That's not nothing either!

I think the creed case yearns for 130-140 gr bullets. Anything more is PRC food.

Yeah, you simply missed the point. But that's okay. I've watched moose die at point-blank range with an ELD bullet started at 2950 fps. It worked. C&C bullets, including ELD-Ms, can get messy at those impact speeds (2800+ fps), which I'm personally not a fan of. I get that some people like a grenade to go off, but others (including me) prefer predictable moderate expansion. Starting an ELD-M at 2700 fps essentially ensures that type of terminal behaviour.

BTW, for an apples-to-apples comparison, let's use the speeds published by Hornady in their factory ammo, 2800 fps for the 134 ELD-M and 2695 fps for the 147. In my arbitrary atmospheric conditions, the 147 dips below 1800 fps at 765 m, and the 135 falls below at 785 m. At 765 m and in a 10 mph FV wind, the 134 drops 5.6 mrad and drifts 1.1 mrad (34"), and the 147 drops 6.0 mrad and drifts 1.1 mrad (32.3"). Not so different.

 

[Quandary]

Take a listen to the latest Hornady Podcast. They discuss the Creedmores with Jayden Quinlan. Basically from a bullet ballistic standpoint and the things you can do with bullet production to achieve the desired ballistics the the 25 is the best blend when all things are considered.

 

[willfrye027]

Take a listen to the latest Hornady Podcast. They discuss the Creedmores with Jayden Quinlan. Basically from a bullet ballistic standpoint and the things you can do with bullet production to achieve the desired ballistics the the 25 is the best blend when all things are considered.

This was the conclusion I came to. But after about 4000 rounds of 25 creedmoor, I prefer the 6 and 22 versions mostly for reduced recoil. The 25 creed which I shoot unbraked at about 9.25lbs…requires some focus to execute a good shot every time. Not as forgiving in field conditions as a 6cm or 22cm.

 

[MuleyFever]

This was the conclusion I came to. But after about 4000 rounds of 25 creedmoor, I prefer the 6 and 22 versions mostly for reduced recoil. The 25 creed which I shoot unbraked at about 9.25lbs…requires some focus to execute a good shot every time. Not as forgiving in field conditions as a 6cm or 22cm.

I honestly dont get this argument. How does the 25 require more focus. The pre-shot sequence for one caliber does not require any more focus than any other caliber. The process that happens before the trigger breaks is no different.

 

[Quandary]

This was the conclusion I came to. But after about 4000 rounds of 25 creedmoor, I prefer the 6 and 22 versions mostly for reduced recoil. The 25 creed which I shoot unbraked at about 9.25lbs…requires some focus to execute a good shot every time. Not as forgiving in field conditions as a 6cm or 22cm.

I don't have a 25 Creed but did just build a 25 Ackley, suppressed, throwing 133 Bergers at 3,250. I only have a 126 rounds down the tube and 1 Mule Deer but I find the lack of recoil refreshing! I guess its all relative.

 

[willfrye027]

I honestly dont get this argument. How does the 25 require more focus. The pre-shot sequence for one caliber does not require any more focus than any other caliber. The process that happens before the trigger breaks is no different.

There is something subconscious happening, it could be me. I am recoil sensitive.

I’m up to around 20 big game animals with a 25 creedmoor. 12 or so with 22 creedmoor. It’s hard to verbalize and type..but I just shoot better, spot impacts better, and have more confidence with the lower recoil of the 22 creedmoor. 6 creedmoor I have not killed anything with just range time, but it feels much closer to the 22 than the 25.

Not knocking the 25cm at all, it is an awesome cartridge, and I just killed another elk with it..but I wasn’t happy with my shooting performance. Been shooting the 22 more this season and had myself wishing that I had brought it instead.

 

[MuleyFever]

There is something subconscious happening, it could be me. I am recoil sensitive.

I’m up to around 20 big game animals with a 25 creedmoor. 12 or so with 22 creedmoor. It’s hard to verbalize and type..but I just shoot better, spot impacts better, and have more confidence with the lower recoil of the 22 creedmoor. 6 creedmoor I have not killed anything with just range time, but it feels much closer to the 22 than the 25.

Not knocking the 25cm at all, it is an awesome cartridge, and I just killed another elk with it..but I wasn’t happy with my shooting performance. Been shooting the 22 more this season and had myself wishing that I had brought it instead.

From a subconscious perspective for some people I can understand it. I hunted a season with a 6CM and loved shooting it but wanted more bullet so I got a 25CM. I can agree the 6CM is more pleasant to shoot.

 

[willfrye027]

From a subconscious perspective for some people I can understand it. I hunted a season with a 6CM and loved shooting it but wanted more bullet so I got a 25CM. I can agree the 6CM is more pleasant to shoot.

I can point to three specific instances (yesterday included) where something happened during the shot sequence, some kind of anticipation or flinch, that resulted in poor shooting or not being able to spot the impact. I have not had that problem with my 22cm. Granted I’ve been shooting a lot less the last 6 months, so I really need all the forgiveness I can get.

I will say if you forced me to pick one gun right now to make the most important shot of my life, it would be my 25 creedmoor. It has literally never shot a 10 shot group bigger than 1.1” and I’ve never touched the load, zero, etc for the last 500 rounds of this barrel. And no animal has ever walked away from it.

But I wish there was less recoil. If I wasn’t in CA it would have a supressor and all would be well. My 22cm barrels have all required load tinkering and backing off powder charges over time, burned out barrels, blowing up bullets, and other annoyances.

 

[wind gypsy]

Flinch or not. With a light weight rifle with some recoil I’d be more prone to focusing on recoil management than I would with the same in a 223.

 

[willfrye027]

Flinch or not. With a light weight rifle with some recoil I’d be more prone to focusing on recoil management than I would with the same in a 223.

That shit tends to go out the window with a big buck or a bull in the crosshairs