.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Brap01]

I originally landed in this thread while researching if my 308 would be suitable for elk... Well, I'm several weeks in (maybe over a month?) and I've read from start to finish (currently on page 659). I now have a 223 in my future. I wanted to join just to say "I did it! I read the whole thing!"

Thank you to everyone who has contributed meaningfully to the thread, I've learned a lot.

Be sure to post up your results in here, good or bad.

Best of luck!

 

[proslogion]

Be sure to post up your results in here, good or bad.

Best of luck!

It will be a while before I get everything lined up, but I'll definitely circle back and contribute!

 

[ihookem]

I posted this elsewhere but it belongs here.
77 TMK 223 AI
Bull 260 yds
Cow 510 yds.

There is no reason on earth to shoot a bigger gun . I will stick to my .243 Win. for deer , only cause I have so many bullets. I will sooner or later just shoot .223 REM. just cause cases are everywhere, 25 gr. of powder and cheap bullets make for a reasonable target and deer gun.. I dont hunt anything bigger than deer except bear once in a while though.

 

[Dave Thomas]

I wonder how many foot pounds would be necessary to kill a moose in a spot and stalk scenario?

Just make sure you have enough wallop. Because in a spot and stalk your bullet might just bounce off the shoulder.

 

[mt terry d]

There is no reason on earth to shoot a bigger gun . I will stick to my .243 Win. for deer , only cause I have so many bullets. I will sooner or later just shoot .223 REM. just cause cases are everywhere, 25 gr. of powder and cheap bullets make for a reasonable target and deer gun.. I dont hunt anything bigger than deer except bear once in a while though.

I can understand some guys shooting something faster with better BC but I'm
not good enough yet to really utilize the better ballistics when out to kill something

I think one of the main things I've taken a way from my journey into the "223/77TMK" world
is that regardless of how you've always done it, you really need to walk before you can run
with reliable and consistent effectiveness ( <is that a word?)
And even while walking you can kill the $HiT out of just about anything.

 

[Chet707]

I can understand some guys shooting something faster with better BC but I'm
not good enough yet to really utilize the better ballistics when out to kill something

I think one of the main things I've taken a way from my journey into the "223/77TMK" world
is that regardless of how you've always done it, you really need to walk before you can run
with reliable and consistent effectiveness ( <is that a word?)
And even while walking you can kill the $HiT out of just about anything.

I agree. Didn't take any convincing for me to start using a .223 since my family and many friends have always trended towards the smaller side for elk in az. Mostly 22-250 and .243.

This thread and the 6mm thread opened my eyes as to why it worked and after switching from a 6.5 creed to a 223 I shot more in a year than I ever had and learned more about mid and longer range shooting because of the amount I could afford to shoot. Putting together a 6 cm this year just to extend usable velocity and wind a little bit. Definitely still at the walk stage and the .223 works like a charm.

 

[KHntr]

Just make sure you have enough wallop. Because in a spot and stalk your bullet might just bounce off the shoulder.

Good point. I try to whisper “Remember the Extra Wallop” to each cartridge before it gets chambered but sometimes I forget. Seems to make a difference though.

 

[Dave Thomas]

Good point. I try to whisper “Remember the Extra Wallop” to each cartridge before it gets chambered but sometimes I forget. Seems to make a difference though.

Makes all the difference in the world.

 

[GoWyo!]

Wyoming requires the wallop boys. It’s ok, recoil is temporary. Cowboy up.

Section 4. Firearms, muzzle-loaders and cartridges that are legal for the taking of big or trophy game animals.

(a) For the taking of bighorn sheep, elk, moose, mountain goat or black bear by the use of a firearm, a hunter shall use:

(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .24 caliber and firing a cartridge of at least

two (2) inches in overall length and using an expanding point bullet, or any other cartridge of at

least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half inches (1.5) in overall length and using an expanding

point bullet; or,

(ii) Any muzzle-loading rifle or any muzzle-loading handgun of at least .40 caliber and firing an expanding point bullet or lead ball and using a charge of at least fifty (50) grains of black powder or its equivalent; or,

32-1(iii) Any shotgun firing “00” or larger buckshot, or a slug.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game animal, a hunter shall use:

(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in

overall length and using an expanding point bullet, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber…

 

[mt terry d]

"Any shotgun.....00 buckshot"

I'd love to see the wound channel on an elk created by 20 ga with 00 Buckshot

 

[TradLife406]

Wyoming requires the wallop boys. It’s ok, recoil is temporary. Cowboy up.

Section 4. Firearms, muzzle-loaders and cartridges that are legal for the taking of big or trophy game animals.

(a) For the taking of bighorn sheep, elk, moose, mountain goat or black bear by the use of a firearm, a hunter shall use:

(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .24 caliber and firing a cartridge of at least

two (2) inches in overall length and using an expanding point bullet, or any other cartridge of at

least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half inches (1.5) in overall length and using an expanding

point bullet; or,

(ii) Any muzzle-loading rifle or any muzzle-loading handgun of at least .40 caliber and firing an expanding point bullet or lead ball and using a charge of at least fifty (50) grains of black powder or its equivalent; or,

32-1(iii) Any shotgun firing “00” or larger buckshot, or a slug.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game animal, a hunter shall use:

(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in

overall length and using an expanding point bullet, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber…

To be fair Broke Back Mountain was set in Wyoming too

Just messin

But the that's why you have some amazing 6mm rounds like the 6 UM or 6 Creed.

 

[wyosam]

Wyoming requires the wallop boys. It’s ok, recoil is temporary. Cowboy up.

Section 4. Firearms, muzzle-loaders and cartridges that are legal for the taking of big or trophy game animals.

(a) For the taking of bighorn sheep, elk, moose, mountain goat or black bear by the use of a firearm, a hunter shall use:

(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .24 caliber and firing a cartridge of at least

two (2) inches in overall length and using an expanding point bullet, or any other cartridge of at

least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half inches (1.5) in overall length and using an expanding

point bullet; or,

(ii) Any muzzle-loading rifle or any muzzle-loading handgun of at least .40 caliber and firing an expanding point bullet or lead ball and using a charge of at least fifty (50) grains of black powder or its equivalent; or,

32-1(iii) Any shotgun firing “00” or larger buckshot, or a slug.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game animal, a hunter shall use:

(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in

overall length and using an expanding point bullet, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber…

That’s right, for the big stuff in Wyoming, you need the wallop. If you can’t handle the recoil of a 6x45 just stay home.


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[KHntr]

Wyoming requires the wallop boys. It’s ok, recoil is temporary. Cowboy up.

Is it though? The flinch that some people seem to develop from recoil and muzzle blast doesn’t look temporary…

 

[GoWyo!]

Adapt and overcome… or some such BS. I guess archery is always an option…or crossbows

 

[Nomosendero]

Is it though? The flinch that some people seem to develop from recoil and muzzle blast doesn’t look temporary…

For "some people" correct. For others, not so much.

 

[KHntr]

Or build a 22 Creedmoor, leave the barrel clean of markings, and use 6 Creedmoor headstamped brass….

I have yet to run into the bull that can shake off a good 224” bullet.