.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Chris_in_Idaho]

Does anyone know if the Black Hills 223 and 556 factory loads use the same brass?

 

[Chris_in_Idaho]

More on the 62 grn Maker TRex. 3,100 MV
2 deer. No blood trail at all from either of them. Doe made it 10 yards, stag about 50 yards.

145 yards neck-ish shot quartering towards me. Small Fallow deer doe (white tail size).

Doe
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Entrence
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Projectile travelled through one lobe of the lung and exited through paunch.

Lung.
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Red deer Spiker Stag. About 220lb LW.
275 yards. Low shoulder shot.
Head removed (and ears left on) for the trip home.
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Exit side with shoulder peeled back.
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Lungs and heart.
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Rib exit cleaned back.
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Do you hunt every single day?

 

[waawaashkeshi]

Do you know what their lower velocity expansion numbers are?

Barnes R&D told me 2200 for caliber and half which isn’t much at all, ironically they said 1800 on LRX but the standard is 1.1x expansion which is unacceptable. I think it’s the same velocity threshold they just moved the goal post. 1.5x .224 is basically a .308 FMJ.

 

[Tahr]

Do you hunt every single day?

Often. Most weeks. 74 deer this year.

 

[waawaashkeshi]

Does anyone know if the Black Hills 223 and 556 factory loads use the same brass?

You’d have to ask them what pressures they load at. Lots of “5.56” loadings are still same pressure and different head-stamped brass.

 

[Chris_in_Idaho]

Is there a particular best seating die for 77TMKs?

 

[RDF1]

Is there a particular best seating die for 77TMKs?

I use RCBS and LEE seaters. They dont leave a mark or anything unless your trying to cram the bullet on top of too much Varget.

 

[Moose83]

Often. Most weeks. 74 deer this year.

You are blessed. I'll bet if everyone on this site could do the same thing a lot of the arguing about this vs. that, big vs. small, etc would disappear and we'd all be twiddling our thumbs wondering what to talk about.

 

[jqsk]

Page 500! I’ve been watching the page count go up as I read through the thread. Suffice it to say that the data within changed my mind utterly. Hope to add to it next season

 

[JohnDough]

You’d have to ask them what pressures they load at. Lots of “5.56” loadings are still same pressure and different head-stamped brass.

Black Hills loads 5.56 with proprietary powders to very stout velocities. Their 70gr GMX loading leaves my 14.5 at almost 2800fps, for example.

 

[Speaks]

I just got my new 223 and was hoping to shoot eldx but had not realized they dont load it for 223. Given TMKs are unobtainium in factory loads is the 75g eldm a solid choice.

 

[Ajsomp]

I just got my new 223 and was hoping to shoot eldx but had not realized they dont load it for 223. Given TMKs are unobtainium in factory loads is the 75g eldm a solid choice.

AAC (palmetto armory) had some TMK in stock this week for $.90/round. Pretty sure 73 grain ELDM is the factory option you can buy for hornady. Either work

 

[Chris_in_Idaho]

Does anyone know if the Black Hills 223 and 556 factory loads use the same brass?

You’d have to ask them what pressures they load at. Lots of “5.56” loadings are still same pressure and different head-stamped brass.

Black Hills loads 5.56 with proprietary powders to very stout velocities. Their 70gr GMX loading leaves my 14.5 at almost 2800fps, for example.

Do you guys know if the brass is the same between Black Hills 5.56 and Black Hills .223? I'm not worried about the head stamp, but I'm wondering if the capacity is identical and they can be used interchangeably without a POI difference?

 

[JohnDough]

Do you guys know if the brass is the same between Black Hills 5.56 and Black Hills .223? I'm not worried about the head stamp, but I'm wondering if the capacity is identical and they can be used interchangeably without a POI difference?

I do not. I don't buy .223 ammunition and am ignorant. Jeff is a great guy and will be happy to tell you, or someone who works there will, if you just give them a call.

 

[st1650]

What’s the word on the street with the 77 LRX in the 22 Creedmoor ? I can launch them at 3200 FPS and don’t expect any shots further than 250yards. I’ve heard very good luck with the 145 LRX out of a SAUM at 3000 FPS. So far I haven’t found an accurate load with the LRX and I’ve also ordered 1K of the 77 TMK. Just I just ditch the monos in the 22Creed and simply use the 77TMK ?
Using a 1/7tw barrel btw. Has anyone had any of these blow up at 3200 FPS ?

 

[FB Trout]

Is there a particular best seating die for 77TMKs?

I use the Redding micrometer seating with the VLD stem, as I also load 80 ELDm and ELDx with that same die. As stated, unless on a compressed load of Varget, it has been good, no marks on the bullets.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I've never seen a rifle that would shoot 77TMK in person. Tried it through every rifle I own, and it shoots about like a bad lot of M193. 2.5-3.5moa. These are guns that will sling X135 and MK262 into 1.5-1.8moa groups.

*10 shot groups, 100 yards.

Where are you located? I’ll show you 3 guns that shoot them 1 MOA or better tomorrow.

 

[Schmo]

I’ll show you 3 guns that shoot them 1 MOA or better tomorrow.

Mine shoots a 10 shot in MOA or better as well.

 

[MEdude]

@PNWGATOR
10,000 is next. Should be reserved for the guy who launched this…

Thanks for initiating the conversation!

 

[RDF1]

Ive got a couple ARs that shoot 77TMKs very good.
A little load workup and brass prep,
Lapua brass, FED AR Match primers, H4895 and 2.260" COAL.
I found once fired Lapua brass thats been neck sized in a lee collet neck sizer was the magic ticket for 10 rounds sub MOA.