.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

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“Seated at 2.340 OAL in Waters Mags, appx .0150 off the lands.”

Shit that throats short. I found the lands for 80 eld ms are 2.44 in my rifle. How do they group in yours mine hates them atleast with 4895? Like 4 inch 10 shot groups

@Stocky Sorry, I mean 2.43” OAL. Transposed the numbers. Basically throated the same as yours.
 

77TMK

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Dropped a 9 point Mississippi buck from around 75 yards as it was running. Managed a quartering away shot into liver and right lung. Liquified a good basketball size area on the opposing side and the cup and core were a quarter inch away from exiting the hide when I skinned it.

24.0 TAC with 77 TMK from a 14.5 URGI. Was literally on my way to my sitting spot and spooked this one on the way in during the afternoon. It ran maybe 50 yards. Weighed it to 173 lbs before any cutting. Kinda thankful deer down here are a tad smaller so I can lift them by myself into the truck.
 

JohnDough

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I used the MK318 Mod 0 in Afghanistan out of a Mk18 and can attest that it's performance from near contact distance out to around 250-300 yards is more than adequate for what we were using it for, but I had never thought to try it on any game animals.

And out of curiosity, isn't the Black Hills Dual Performance basically their version of the Mk318 Mod 1? If so, and based on what some of my friends who used the Mod 1 on later deployments have told me, I would think that would be almost the perfect mono metal round for those who either want or are required to not use lead core ammo
Your take is similar to mine, but the MK318 0 SOST seems to have more "confetti" to it, due to the lead core. It also seemed more destructive on entrance and exit on the deer I show (both broadside). I'd say it's probably more similar to MK318 MOD 1 SOST.

Ultimately, I found the 70gr TSX more to my liking. When I hit deer with it, it blows blood out of the animal at the impact site. The Dual Performance so far has not. Very minimal blood trail even with a low shot on the chest through the very heart. MK318 MOD 0 was pretty nasty in comparison.

All 3 get the job done, but I prefer the 70gr TSX.
 

Thegman

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They work fine, but their BC is nowhere near 0.4 G1, more like 0.28 G1. Keep that in mind. The floor for them seems to be 16-1800fps.
I tested the TMJ practice version with a lab radar (supposed to be .411 as well). I got about .3 G1. Kind of took the wind out of my sails on using them. Going to hit 1,800 fps by 350 or so in my rifle. There are other bullets that can take that to 550, and have a lot more gas in the tank at 350.
 
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I tested the TMJ practice version with a lab radar (supposed to be .411 as well). I got about .3 G1. Kind of took the wind out of my sails on using them. Going to hit 1,800 fps by 350 or so in my rifle. There are other bullets that can take that to 550, and have a lot more gas in the tank at 350.
Is that this bullet?

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77TMK

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Those performed like trash for me. Over 2” groups from a precision barrel.

The Hornady 75 gr BTHP is only 23 cents in bulk. Midsouth has the Hornady copies of the 77 SMK for 21 cents.
 

Reddish

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I tested the TMJ practice version with a lab radar (supposed to be .411 as well). I got about .3 G1. Kind of took the wind out of my sails on using them. Going to hit 1,800 fps by 350 or so in my rifle. There are other bullets that can take that to 550, and have a lot more gas in the tank at 350.
Tipped version that are coming out will help with that.

I mainly use them bc they expanded rapidly, but don’t cause excess meat damage. If I’m hunting timber I’m not shooting more than 125yds anyway. 62gr are not the most accurate in my rifle, but have worked fine out to 350yds for whitetail.
 

Tahr

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Which one? the 80 grain VLD or or the fullbore 80.5? this looks nasty
Neither. This is a guy using Berger jackets and his own proprietary lead mix for the core. Especially for hunting and excellent performance. Made in NZ but cant be exported to the US (part of the agreement with Berger).
 
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