.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[WIDrake]

Man I'm trying to listen to the JVB fudd, the guy is delusional and doesn't understand what he's talking about. And what's worse is he straight up preaches taking unethical shots and says that should be what you plan to do. I can't understand how anyone views him as an expert... I'm no expert but at least I don't lie about animal phisiology or others work.

 

[rclouse79]

Might be worth sharing here once you’re done since you are going to the trouble but then again new people probably still wouldn’t read it and jump in the tread telling all the guys shooting it how wrong they are.

That would be a lot of pressure but would probably be a good idea. The word document might never be released, as I think this thread grows faster than I can read it.

 

[FredH]

Ok then just loaded up some 73 gr. ELD for my AR, 20 inch barrel. 2820 fps. Next few animals I shoot at will receive one of them.

 

[Big_wals]

Hey all, I haven’t been contributing on here for a couple months, life has been pretty busy. Filled my final tag last night so thought I would make a post about what I’ve been shooting this fall. I built a 18” 22 ARC AR a couple months ago and that’s what I have used for everything since. Shooting factory 88 ELDM ammo.

Deer #1: yearling whitetail buck, quartering towards me at about 120 yards. I didn’t realize he was quartering so hard and shot a little far back, hit one lung and destroyed the stomach, he ran around 60 yards. Not much of a blood trail, there was a large exit hole but it was full of stomach contents. No pics as I was in a hurry and didn’t have enough gloves to be taking them off to take pics.

Deer #2: whitetail deer at 95 yards, shot in the head. Dropped in her tracks as expected.

Shot four hogs at 40 to 50 yards, three were chest shot with two of them dropping where they stood, the other one ran around 15 yards. The fourth was shot in the hindquarters and finished of with a headshot. They were all big hogs, probably 225 plus pounds. All three chest shots exited, I didn’t cut into the chest to look at the lungs on any of them.

Exit on one of the hogs.

Deer #3: mule deer doe at 363 yards, broadside shot behind the shoulder. She traveled around 40 yards after the shot, left a very easy to follow blood trail.
Entrance side with shoulder removed, no meat loss on the shoulder.

Deer #4: mule deer buck at 130 yards, high shoulder broadside shot. He made it about 10 yards, very quick kill

Entrance


Entrance side under the shoulder. Broke a ribe on the exit side, found most of the bullet under the hide.

The 88s also seem to do the job on coyotes. As long as you don’t plan on saving hides

 

[Gettincloser]

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The 88s also seem to do the job on coyotes. As long as you don’t plan on saving hides

You just need to use a needle and thread... If you shoot 2 coyotes, you could sew them together to make 1 complete hide!

 

[Thegman]

Hey all, I haven’t been contributing on here for a couple months, life has been pretty busy. Filled my final tag last night so thought I would make a post about what I’ve been shooting this fall. I built a 18” 22 ARC AR a couple months ago and that’s what I have used for everything since. Shooting factory 88 ELDM ammo.

Deer #1: yearling whitetail buck, quartering towards me at about 120 yards. I didn’t realize he was quartering so hard and shot a little far back, hit one lung and destroyed the stomach, he ran around 60 yards. Not much of a blood trail, there was a large exit hole but it was full of stomach contents. No pics as I was in a hurry and didn’t have enough gloves to be taking them off to take pics.

Deer #2: whitetail deer at 95 yards, shot in the head. Dropped in her tracks as expected.

Shot four hogs at 40 to 50 yards, three were chest shot with two of them dropping where they stood, the other one ran around 15 yards. The fourth was shot in the hindquarters and finished of with a headshot. They were all big hogs, probably 225 plus pounds. All three chest shots exited, I didn’t cut into the chest to look at the lungs on any of them. View attachment 804487
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Exit on one of the hogs.

Deer #3: mule deer doe at 363 yards, broadside shot behind the shoulder. She traveled around 40 yards after the shot, left a very easy to follow blood trail. View attachment 804489
Entrance side with shoulder removed, no meat loss on the shoulder.

Deer #4: mule deer buck at 130 yards, high shoulder broadside shot. He made it about 10 yards, very quick kill
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Entrance

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Entrance side under the shoulder. Broke a ribe on the exit side, found most of the bullet under the hide.
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The 88s also seem to do the job on coyotes. As long as you don’t plan on saving hides

When you say "chest shot" on the hogs, what angle were the shots and where were entrance and exits?

Getting ready to try the 88s in my 223. Your results are encouraging

 

[gman82001]

77 tmk 500. Count in stock and seems to be a decent price

Tmk

 

[Packmansion]

Man I'm trying to listen to the JVB fudd, the guy is delusional and doesn't understand what he's talking about. And what's worse is he straight up preaches taking unethical shots and says that should be what you plan to do. I can't understand how anyone views him as an expert... I'm no expert but at least I don't lie about animal phisiology or others work.

He's a journalist, he writes articles and tells people what they want to here. He says things that make him money. If he went around telling everyone to hunt trophy bulls with a 6.5 creedmoor he'd be out of a job.

 

[Big_wals]

When you say "chest shot" on the hogs, what angle were the shots and where were entrance and exits?

Getting ready to try the 88s in my 223. Your results are encouraging

More or less broadside, thru the ribs. I don’t think any hit shoulder bone, but two of them were boars that I just left for the coyotes and didnt open up at all.

I’ve been very happy with these 88s so far, I’ll be interested to see how they work for you! Are you going to shoot them out of one of your ultralights?

 

[Thegman]

More or less broadside, thru the ribs. I don’t think any hit shoulder bone, but two of them were boars that I just left for the coyotes and didnt open up at all.

I’ve been very happy with these 88s so far, I’ll be interested to see how they work for you! Are you going to shoot them out of one of your ultralights?

Yes, the Little Big Gun will hopefully add a hog or two to its list. I have a load doing 2560 with the 88s and seems to shoot pretty well.

Not to derail the thread, but what kind of velocity are you getting out of your ARC? With the combination of these heavy 224 bullets becoming available, I think the 22 ARC is one of the more interesting cartridges to appear in a while.

 

[Hardly_Hangin]

That would be a lot of pressure but would probably be a good idea. The word document might never be released, as I think this thread grows faster than I can read it.

I can't beleive rokslide hasnt got Form to write up an article about the topic to post on the main website, or compiled the highlights from the thread themselves to post. This thread is a pretty good case study. There could be an appendix linking pictures from the thread and links to the forensic papers mentioned.

As interesting to me as a word doc would be a filterable excel database logging the info, so we can look at analytics and really count some beans. We have 5 years of data, should be plenty enough.