.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

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For those loading the 77 TMK, 75ELDM or 80 ELDM, does one need a special seating stem to not damage the bullets when seating?

I don’t have the bullets or brass yet but already have some cheap 22-250 FL did and seater. Wondering if I need to get a Hornady seater with their special stems


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For those loading the 77 TMK, 75ELDM or 80 ELDM, does one need a special seating stem to not damage the bullets when seating?

I don’t have the bullets or brass yet but already have some cheap 22-250 FL did and seater. Wondering if I need to get a Hornady seater with their special stems


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Probably depends somewhat on the stem in your current die. Most likely it's not absolutely needed, but I did get one and it seems less apt to leave a ring indent on the TMKs. That said, I haven't done any kind of compressed loads using it, yet, as I did with the original seater stem.
 
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I am going to try some of these 77tmk out but I wanted to try and find some factory loaded ammo… has anybody shot the black hills 5.56 77tmk out of a 223 or 223 tikka? I do plan on reloading these down the road but don’t have the components quite yet
 
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I am going to try some of these 77tmk out but I wanted to try and find some factory loaded ammo… has anybody shot the black hills 5.56 77tmk out of a 223 or 223 tikka? I do plan on reloading these down the road but don’t have the components quite yet

Lot of data in this thread on the black hills. If you use the search function and filter to only this thread, you can search for “black hills”


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I am going to try some of these 77tmk out but I wanted to try and find some factory loaded ammo… has anybody shot the black hills 5.56 77tmk out of a 223 or 223 tikka? I do plan on reloading these down the road but don’t have the components quite yet
Yes. That's my go to for my Tikka

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I am going to try some of these 77tmk out but I wanted to try and find some factory loaded ammo… has anybody shot the black hills 5.56 77tmk out of a 223 or 223 tikka? I do plan on reloading these down the road but don’t have the components quite yet
Yes. 223 Howa Mini Action. I'm a little over 50 rounds down the barrel without issue. Works good in the Tikka for guys that have them.

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For those loading the 77 TMK, 75ELDM or 80 ELDM, does one need a special seating stem to not damage the bullets when seating?

I don’t have the bullets or brass yet but already have some cheap 22-250 FL did and seater. Wondering if I need to get a Hornady seater with their special stems


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Hornady does here is a link.
 

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Finally worked up a load with the 77gr TMK, LC brass, Tula mag primers, and XBR 8208. Started at 23.2 and ended up at 23.8. The last 5 shots were 2704 fps with a 7.8 SD. This is out of a Stag 3G upper that is used primarly as a night time coyote rifle with 53gr V-max. My grandson is a small 9 yr old and this is my only rifle that I can adjust small enough for him. I may try the same load out of my Tikka varmint, but I have some 75gr ELDM that are running 3025 fps with H4895 and have taken a big doe at 440 yards with that rifle. I put 3 on my 325 yard coyote with a 8 phm full value wind. Held for the wind and only need about half what Strelok pro was saying. We saw lots of doe with fawns last weekend, hoping a lone doe or a decent buck shows this Saturday.9-9-24 029.JPG9-9-24 043.JPG9-9-24 046.JPG9-9-24 110.JPG9-9-24 109.JPG9-9-24 164.JPG9-9-24 166.JPG
 

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80 grain ELDX. Mature bull moose. 523 yards. Roughly 2,180 impact velocity. Quartering slightly away. Moose was hit once, moved forward 20 feet behind some trees. Before I could shoot again he dropped (less than 5 seconds).

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The “dreaded shoulder shot” with a “small bullet”…

Entrance.

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Entered above shoulder bone and tore through lung. Sliced the bottom of the heart on the way through to the exit side lung. Broke two ribs and part of the scalpula before exiting. Both lungs were chunky mush and lung chunks on the ground and tree behind the moose where he was shot.

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Two finger sized wound channel on the entrance side turned into a 4+ finger sized wound channel most of the way through the animal.

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UpNorth89

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80 grain ELDX. Mature bull moose. 523 yards. Roughly 2,180 impact velocity. Quartering slightly away. Moose was hit once, moved forward 20 feet behind some trees. Before I could shoot again he dropped (less than 5 seconds).

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The “dreaded shoulder shot” with a “small bullet”…

Entrance.

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Entered above shoulder bone and tore through lung. Sliced the bottom of the heart on the way through to the exit side lung. Broke two ribs and part of the scalpula before exiting. Both lungs were chunky mush and lung chunks on the ground and tree behind the moose where he was shot.

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Two finger sized wound channel on the entrance side turned into a 4+ finger sized wound channel most of the way through the animal.

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Awesome! But weren't the bullets supposed to bounce off?
 

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80 grain ELDX. Mature bull moose. 523 yards. Roughly 2,180 impact velocity. Quartering slightly away. Moose was hit once, moved forward 20 feet behind some trees. Before I could shoot again he dropped (less than 5 seconds).

View attachment 763019

The “dreaded shoulder shot” with a “small bullet”…

Entrance.

View attachment 763015

Entered above shoulder bone and tore through lung. Sliced the bottom of the heart on the way through to the exit side lung. Broke two ribs and part of the scalpula before exiting. Both lungs were chunky mush and lung chunks on the ground and tree behind the moose where he was shot.

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Two finger sized wound channel on the entrance side turned into a 4+ finger sized wound channel most of the way through the animal.

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Congrats and thanks for the awesome pics! I just bought more of the 80gr ELDM's last week. I'd be interested in the load and rifle.
 

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80 grain ELDX. Mature bull moose. 523 yards. Roughly 2,180 impact velocity. Quartering slightly away. Moose was hit once, moved forward 20 feet behind some trees. Before I could shoot again he dropped (less than 5 seconds).

View attachment 763019

The “dreaded shoulder shot” with a “small bullet”…

Entrance.

View attachment 763015

Entered above shoulder bone and tore through lung. Sliced the bottom of the heart on the way through to the exit side lung. Broke two ribs and part of the scalpula before exiting. Both lungs were chunky mush and lung chunks on the ground and tree behind the moose where he was shot.

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Two finger sized wound channel on the entrance side turned into a 4+ finger sized wound channel most of the way through the animal.

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223 or 22 creed?
 

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80 grain ELDX. Mature bull moose. 523 yards. Roughly 2,180 impact velocity. Quartering slightly away. Moose was hit once, moved forward 20 feet behind some trees. Before I could shoot again he dropped (less than 5 seconds).

View attachment 763019

The “dreaded shoulder shot” with a “small bullet”…

Entrance.

View attachment 763015

Entered above shoulder bone and tore through lung. Sliced the bottom of the heart on the way through to the exit side lung. Broke two ribs and part of the scalpula before exiting. Both lungs were chunky mush and lung chunks on the ground and tree behind the moose where he was shot.

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Two finger sized wound channel on the entrance side turned into a 4+ finger sized wound channel most of the way through the animal.

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Think there's a "stepbrother, what are you doing?" joke here somewhere..
 

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80 grain ELDX. Mature bull moose. 523 yards. Roughly 2,180 impact velocity. Quartering slightly away. Moose was hit once, moved forward 20 feet behind some trees. Before I could shoot again he dropped (less than 5 seconds).

View attachment 763019

The “dreaded shoulder shot” with a “small bullet”…

Entrance.

View attachment 763015

Entered above shoulder bone and tore through lung. Sliced the bottom of the heart on the way through to the exit side lung. Broke two ribs and part of the scalpula before exiting. Both lungs were chunky mush and lung chunks on the ground and tree behind the moose where he was shot.

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Two finger sized wound channel on the entrance side turned into a 4+ finger sized wound channel most of the way through the animal.

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That’s awesome !

But you gotta roll up your sleeves, man! Or at the very least remove the thumb loops haha.
 
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