.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Pharmseller]

I miss pictures of dead animals.

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[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

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Wow, the 77 TMK really does work on anything in North America.

 

[atmat]

Wow, the 77 TMK really does work on anything in North America.

Total Marine Killer

 

[TimberHunter]

It’s in the 4dof app. Create a chart for your load and it will have a column labeled gyro
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Thanks for the tip, didn’t even know 4DOD had gyro. Looks like Hornady suggests gyro of 1.4 +.

At 223 speeds from a 22” barrel, even the 88 eldm shows a stabling of 1.3-1.4 with a tikka 1:8 (longer mag is needed to load them). Hornady recommends 1:7 and have read about others being unable to penalize the 88 in 1:8 223 so I could be ready or using gyro wrong


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[Billy Goat]

I've enjoyed getting back into shooting .223s thanks to this thread. I am curious though, what kind of accuracy do you see out of the RSS shooting 77 TMKs?

I can't decide if I'm asking way too much out of my rifles or if maybe I need to take everything apart and put them back together again.

For the rifles that shoot them well, my Gen 2 Ruger American Ranch will occasionally print a 5-shot group at 100 yards under 1", but never better than 3/4".

That will kill well enough, but where I hunt, Virginia, the smallest we can go is .243...

Am I expecting too much or should I take everything apart and start over?

I was disappointed in the accuracy of my RSS. It's routinely 1.5 moa 10 shot groups, don't think I have ever seen it drop below 1.25 with TMK's. It was pretty ugly with cheap frontier ammo. Played with some different powders, but it seems that's all it would do.

I was going to rebarrel it as I was expecting better accuracy, I kept shooting it. Accuracy didn't improve, however I did realize that it didn't effect it's lethality. With a scope that dials reliably, I'm killing groundhogs out to 400 yards without issue. It just works, in my mind I'm thinking I'm only in a 6inch circle at that range, but it just keeps working. It's the spend more time shooting less time worrying with things that don't matter. For a 400 yard gun, 1.5 moa is just fine.

 

[wind gypsy]

Prices are coming down a lil.

I have noticed that a few sites will bump up the cost per round if you order the larger lots. Cheaper to order 10 20 round boxes than it is to order 200..

Look at fastammo's listing..

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Fast Ammo and Gman's schtick is to have the lowest price on ammoseek and then eff you on shipping. There are usually options with a little higher per rd cost but much better shipping that ends up being a better buy.

@TimberHunter @Lawnboi - my hornady factory 73 ammo does not have crimped primers.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Fast Ammo and Gman's schtick is to have the lowest price on ammoseek and then eff you on shipping. There are usually options with a little higher per rd cost but much better shipping that ends up being a better buy.

I agree, Theres a pile of websites that do that. Just hadnt noticed them bumping up the price per round with the quantity before.

Last 73gr stuff I bought in april was $22/box shipped.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Fast Ammo and Gman's schtick is to have the lowest price on ammoseek and then eff you on shipping. There are usually options with a little higher per rd cost but much better shipping that ends up being a better buy.

I almost bought from Gman over the weekend but having never heard of them decided to do a little research. Saw where people stated they were charged anywhere from 60$ to 130$ for shipping of ammo orders. Couldn’t close that page out fast enough.

 

[The Guide]

I almost bought from Gman over the weekend but having never heard of them decided to do a little research. Saw where people stated they were charged anywhere from 60$ to 130$ for shipping of ammo orders. Couldn’t close that page out fast enough.

Look at Target Sports USA if you want a reliable and reputable company. Free shipping on cases. Makes the prices the other guys are offering look poor when you add in shipping.

Jay

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[sierracharlie338]

Look at Target Sports USA if you want a reliable and reputable company. Free shipping on cases. Makes the prices the other guys are offering look poor when you add in shipping.

Jay

Hornady Match 223 Remington Ammo 73 Gr ELD Match - Ammo Deals

Hornady Match 223 Remington Ammo 73 Gr ELD Match at Target Sports USA with free shipping available. Enjoy deals on 223 Remington ammo for sale online

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Good info thanks man

 

[Steve300xcw]

Look at Target Sports USA if you want a reliable and reputable company. Free shipping on cases. Makes the prices the other guys are offering look poor when you add in shipping.

Jay

Hornady Match 223 Remington Ammo 73 Gr ELD Match - Ammo Deals

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I buy a lot from those guys. Split the cost of a membership with a buddy this this year. Thats paid for itself and then some

 

[Hummerdawg]

Midway has TMK’s

 

[fwafwow]

I hear you on shipping. I include a shipping filter (better than “x” rating) when doing an ammoseek search.

 

[eoperator]

Yup their website says 1-8" which is why I ordered 500. But the box says 1-7" which is why I confirmed it on the barrel twist calculator. I shot a sub half inch with them today during load work up and took them out to 800 yards. I'm at 2230 feet elevation but others at sea level might have issues.

The guy I spoke with this morning at hornady said all of the test data that was available to him was with 8 twist barrels and all showed good consistent bc. So he expected in all but extreme situations they would be good to go in 1/8 barrels.

 

[xsn10s]

The guy I spoke with this morning at hornady said all of the test data that was available to him was with 8 twist barrels and all showed good consistent bc. So he expected in all but extreme situations they would be good to go in 1/8 barrels.

Good to know, thanks for the update. They shoot well from my 8 twist. I can't wait to try them on some yotes or badgers.

 

[PistolPete]

The guy I spoke with this morning at hornady said all of the test data that was available to him was with 8 twist barrels and all showed good consistent bc. So he expected in all but extreme situations they would be good to go in 1/8 barrels.

Does that include the 88s?

 

[eoperator]

Does that include the 88s?

Didnt ask about 88's.

I do know at 1200ft ~30deg accuracy was very poor in my 1-8 with 88's.

 

[TimberHunter]

Deleting question. Found the answer

 

[SouthPaw]

Mind sharing the load?

23.2 8208xbr, cci450.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Guys that are running cci 450s….

Traditionally the 223 hasn’t needed a mag primer so I’m curious as to the justification there or if it’s just because I want to? Or is it because you hunt in freezing temps?

Just curious.