.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[mtnwrunner]

Passing this info along for you reloaders.
And just good info for the 77 grain users.

This guy does a very thorough job in trying to basically replicate the Black Hills 77 grain OTM factory load. I have found these loads and the factory TMK'S shoot similarly.

It's like a series of 13 videos and a ton of info on different powders (like alot) he tries and charge weights trying to replicate the black hills load along with finding out what is accurate, pressures and what just plain works. Very entertaining and informative.

Randy

 

[Formidilosus]

I think the 80 eld-x was a solution for a non existing problem. Hornady agrees to saami the cartridge but can’t admit the 80/88 eld m is an emphatic killer so since they seem to always release 2-3 types of ammo the 80 eld-x is born as a hunting round
Wouldn’t be surprised if a new cx comes out to round out the team- precision hunter, match, outfitter
If it has a role, I don’t think it’s 223 based. Maybe the big 22s like fm, 250, prc, saum improved (haha)

It came from the company in Texas wanting a 22CM factory round, preferring the 80gr ELD-M, and desiring a “hunting” bullet. It is not for the 223, though with a CTR/AICS mag it would work just fine.

A 88gr ELD-X “jacket”, with the lead/build/nose of the ELD-VT making it an 80’ish grain bullet would be the grail.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

It came from the company in Texas wanting a 22CM factory round, preferring the 80gr ELD-M, and desiring a “hunting” bullet. It is not for the 223, though with a CTR/AICS mag it would work just fine.

A 88gr ELD-X “jacket”, with the lead/build/nose of the ELD-VT making it an 80’ish grain bullet would be the grail.

Do you expect the ELD-VT line to perform decent on game? Or do you think it might need a thicker jacket to offset it's explosiveness? I've seen someone quote 6-10" penetration for the ELD-VT. I'm asking all of this cause the 100gr .264 ELD-VT looks like it'll be a very flat shooter.

 

[Formidilosus]

Do you expect the ELD-VT line to perform decent on game? Or do you think it might need a thicker jacket to offset it's explosiveness? I've seen someone quote 6-10" penetration for the ELD-VT. I'm asking all of this cause the 100gr .264 ELD-VT looks like it'll be a very flat shooter.

My guess is that it will kill fine for most uses, however the penetration is on the low end. The 100gr 6.5 version should be just fine for killing.

Those bullet with a tapered jacket from from the ELD-X would be fantastic- like a TMK.

 

[Jake Leibke]

Finally get to add a 223/tmk pic to the thread.

Youngest shot this doe this morning. Frontal shot. 75 yards impact velocity about 2680. Really good blood trail and she went about 50 yards and piled up.

I’ll add some internal pics later. Guessing it’s gonna be soupy though.

Entrance is at my finger. Shoulder removed. Didn’t loose any meat off top of shoulder. Bullet never exited hide and never found it

Not going to be able to eat this heart.

Insides like jello

Edited to add internal pics and video link.

 

[rabbithuntr]

What a cute kid lol, I like the art work. Nice shot!


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[Pharmseller]

Dang…

Maybe too much damage?




P

 

[Formidilosus]

From a buddy.

Bull elk, 2,600’ish fps impact.

First hit through hip-


Follow up through ribs, heart and into opposite scapula.

 

[Jake Leibke]

Dang…

Maybe too much damage?




P

I really didn’t loose any meat so probably not too much.


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[blazingangel09]

North Texas Whitetail Buck
303 yards
Hornady Match 223 73gr ELDM
16" AR-15 with suppressor
~2000 fps per Hornady 4DOF

Caliber sized entrance and exit in the hide; 1.5" entrance and exit in the rib cage.
Almost zero blood on the ground but a 30 yard death run so tracking wasn't hard.
The shot was a little further forward than intended but it blew up the front of the lungs and the whole chest cavity was filled with congealed blood.

 

[Tahr]

More on the theme of lots of types of well placed .224 caliber bullets kill. Another deer taken with a custom 52 grain Berger jacketed projectile. MV 3,250 fps. Quartering away high shoulder shot. Steep down hill. 180 yards. Dropped on spot as you would expect. Not a 77TMK but still impressive for a little bullet.
Autopsy pic shows entry point (high-lighted). No exit. Pic is of shoulder peeled back.

 

[eric1115]

XBR powder is in stock at Midway.

 

[Bama67]

Man this has me thinking pretty hard, especially since my little Ruger American Ranch 16" is so sweet to shoot suppressed and is sub MOA with pretty much anything I've put through it.
It'll do 3 shot groups of 1" with Tula Russian crap ammo lol

 

[SBR Sarge]

Go for it! These Ruger rifles seem to shoot well above their price point. I have a 300blk RAR dedicated to subsonics and it is a hoot.

We expect some pictures soon.

 

[BLJ]

Man this has me thinking pretty hard, especially since my little Ruger American Ranch 16" is so sweet to shoot suppressed and is sub MOA with pretty much anything I've put through it.
It'll do 3 shot groups of 1" with Tula Russian crap ammo lol

I’ve been extremely happy with the function and accuracy of mine.

 

[blazingangel09]

Didnt take long to get that scope broke in LOL

It sure didn't! Worked exactly as I was hoping and I'm loving it. Thanks for the good deal

 

[Marshfly]

You guys suck. Such a bad influence.

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[jonandy]

I feel like I won the lottery today! I found these in stock, so I bought all they had!!

 

[Lawnboi]

I feel like I won the lottery today! I found these in stock, so I bought all they had!!

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You can still go to blue collar reloading and win the jackpot…

 

[Marshfly]

Alright, so I have Black Hills TMKs headed my way. Supposedly tomorrow according to UPS. Headed to the range with this thing Friday for a Muley hunt next week.

Say they don't get here. I can get ELD-M 73gr locally. Its that the play if the TMKs don't arrive?

Edit to add that I can get the Federal Fusion 62gr also. That may be the play