.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Pharmseller]

Let me look for the details.

 

[Pharmseller]

I searched but didn’t find much. Does anyone have info on how the 75 ELDM does at lower impact velocities? Maybe 1800-2200?

My kill from 3 seasons ago, using the 75 ELDM at 475 yards, started at 2931, .223 Rem, was a bit over 2000 fps. Double lung and exit, dropped at the shot. Small Mulie buck.

Edit to add, pics are in my write up in this thread.

 

[kkp005]

more kills with the 77gr tmk. No drama, behind the shoulder and dead in 40 yards.

My 8 year old really likes stretching it out and shooting steel. Recently went 3 for 3 on a 10” gong at 475 yards. The bullet is only going a touch over 1700 fps there so I think that’s about the outermost limit for killing with it. She makes it look easy

 

[The Guide]

Phantom NAS3 77tmk ammo was in stock. I ordered some to try out. They still have some hot rod 69 TMK and 77 OTM ammo in stock. I put in for an in-stock message for the NAS3 75 ELDM to try out too.

Jay

 

[glock233]

Phantom NAS3 77tmk ammo was in stock. I ordered some to try out. They still have some hot rod 69 TMK and 77 OTM ammo in stock. I put in for an in-stock message for the NAS3 75 ELDM to try out too.

Jay

I ordered some too. It looks like total and complete bullshit though.

 

[packgoatguy]

Phantom NAS3 77tmk ammo was in stock. I ordered some to try out. They still have some hot rod 69 TMK and 77 OTM ammo in stock. I put in for an in-stock message for the NAS3 75 ELDM to try out too.

Jay

The phantom nas3 77tmk was not worth the money in my rifle... pretty much the same velocity as the Stand1 77tmk (not nas3) ammo I have. But with the downside that the "brass" is too sticky in a straight-pull AR, and won't extract without a ton of force.

 

[The Guide]

The phantom nas3 77tmk was not worth the money in my rifle... pretty much the same velocity as the Stand1 77tmk (not nas3) ammo I have. But with the downside that the "brass" is too sticky in a straight-pull AR, and won't extract without a ton of force.

I have a few bolt guns and a couple of AR's I can try it with. Was less than BH 77tmk ammo. Just something to try.

Jay

 

[Poe]

Has anyone had any luck getting the 62gr eldvt’s to shoot out of the 8 twist tikka .223’s?

 

[The Guide]

I've had good success with the Hendershot's bolt action 22 ARC ammo. They offer a load with the 77tmk for the 223 (not 5.56) and might be worth a look when in-stock.

Jay

223 Remington Ammo

Hendershot’s “Extreme” Custom Ammo provides you with match grade ammunition and many bullets options for the 223 Remington! Your rifle deserves the best!

hendershots.net

 

[h2so4]

FYI- Black Hills is going to have a price increase this year. It will result in approx +$30 per case of 500 for the TMK and OTM. The increase is not limited to 5.56, but those numbers would be the most relevant to this thread. It has not rolled out just yet, so if you're on the fence and want to save some $, now is the time.

 

[Ckat]

Two more for the 75gr ELD-M and LVR. Both shots tucked into the crease of the shoulder at around 180-ish yards. The blonde one shifted his weight rearward for a couple of seconds before barrel rolling down the cut to his death. Bigger one did a 60-yard sprint with the last half being big hops with air strides until his final somersault.

 

[packgoatguy]

FYI- Black Hills is going to have a price increase this year. It will result in approx +$30 per case of 500 for the TMK and OTM. The increase is not limited to 5.56, but those numbers would be the most relevant to this thread. It has not rolled out just yet, so if you're on the fence and want to save some $, now is the time.

Where is the best deal on the BH 77tmk ammo?

 

[Thegman]

Tried a couple of new (to me) bullets:

80 ELD-M @ ~2,375 impact velocity. Lower 1/3 behind shoulder, slight quartering away impact. .223ish hole going in, about penny, maybe nickle size exit. 30 yard run but decent blood trail starting where he fell.

Exit


Hornady Frontier 75 BTHP (I believe the same as their TAP bullet). About 2,440fps impact. Essentially same impact as above.

Couldn't even find the entrance, but exit was large and blood trail was good. Maybe 40 yard run.


80 ELD-M again. Same angle as above, higher impact. 2,300ish impact. No exit, bullet lodged in offside shoulder blade process after passing through bottom of spine.


Interesting to me, the larger sow on the left was hit with a Hornady 55 SP @ about 200 yards running, probably about 2,250ish impact velocity. That bullet performed about as well as the 80 ELD-M.

The recovered 55SP

Recovered 80 ELD-M jacket from shoulder blade next to the recovered 55SP (on right).

 

[Poe]

Tried a couple of new (to me) bullets:

80 ELD-M @ ~2,375 impact velocity. Lower 1/3 behind shoulder, slight quartering away impact. .223ish hole going in, about penny, maybe nickle size exit. 30 yard run but decent blood trail starting where he fell.
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Exit
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Hornady Frontier 75 BTHP (I believe the same as their TAP bullet). About 2,440fps impact. Essentially same impact as above.

Couldn't even find the entrance, but exit was large and blood trail was good. Maybe 40 yard run.
View attachment 1008522

80 ELD-M again. Same angle as above, higher impact. 2,300ish impact. No exit, bullet lodged in offside shoulder blade process after passing through bottom of spine.
View attachment 1008529

Interesting to me, the larger sow on the left was hit with a Hornady 55 SP @ about 200 yards running, probably about 2,250ish impact velocity. That bullet performed about as well as the 80 ELD-M.
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The recovered 55SP
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Recovered 80 ELD-M jacket from shoulder blade next to the recovered 55SP (on right).
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What was the internal damage like on the 75gr hp. Did it have a fairly long neck length

 

[Thegman]

What was the internal damage like on the 75gr hp. Did it have a fairly long neck length

Good question. It was getting dark, so unfortunately I didn't spend much time checking details, but... It didn't do 77TMKish type damage and did seem to open a ways in. Still made a decent wound track and almost seemed like it was just getting going, destruction wise, as it exited.

All three bullets (80 ELD-M, 75 BTHP and the 55 SP) were much less destructive than some of what I've seen from the TMK. Much more of a "typical" (read narrow) wound path with much less peripheral trauma and bloodshot meat. Very little bloodshot and meat loss even through the hog's shoulder.

I know you were asking about the 75 BTHP, but below is the heart and lungs, entrance and exit from the 80 ELDM on the first deer. I've put 10 or so various 223 ELDMs in moose, deer and hogs now and the tendency seems to definitely be adequate, but narrower wound tracts with minimal bloodshot meat compared to the TMK.

(Edit: That's 10 or so 75-88 grain ELD-M. The several 73ELD-M I've used seemed a little more destructive/TMKish than the heavier ELD-Ms...in this small sample)

 

[justinspicher]

Where is the best deal on the BH 77tmk ammo?

I don’t think there’s a deal to be had anywhere, BH has a set price and that’s what it is.

 

[omicron1792]

Phantom NAS3 77tmk ammo was in stock. I ordered some to try out. They still have some hot rod 69 TMK and 77 OTM ammo in stock. I put in for an in-stock message for the NAS3 75 ELDM to try out too.

Jay

I bought some more too.

Got 2835 from 18” barrel with the last batch.

 

[FredH]

My experience is the opposite of yours. I don’t know any match shooters but most of my people shoot a lot. And most of what they shoot is 22 cal.

In my group of shooters I would say we shoot more handgun ammo than 22 centerfire, far more rimfire than 22 centerfire. Once we sight in our 22 centerfires and get used to them we use them for coyote hunting generally but some of us hunt deer with them occasionally. However the 6MM's get a lot of use also. There is no match at my club where a 223 is the best choice. We don't do three gun but plates and bowling pin shoots so a 45acp is what centerfire round I shoot the most of . I put out a lot of rimfire rounds playing rimfire silhouette . The last three days I have shot some 150 rounds of 45 Colt out of a Ruger Vaquero and a Contender Carbine. I know of no one who isn't involved in some kind of match shooting that comes even close to shooting 1500 rounds of centerfire a year. I would say the 223/5.56 are very commonly owned rifles but most of us don't burn a lot of ammo through them or plink with them. We shoot a little steel at my property out to 200 yards but after ringing it 20 or so times the fun wears off. I would say the average non match shooter probably puts less than 60 rounds a year through each of his centerfire rifles.

 

[h2so4]

I don’t think there’s a deal to be had anywhere, BH has a set price and that’s what it is.

such a pessimist. maybe I can help you see the cup half full..

 

[Speaks]

We shoot a little steel at my property out to 200 yards but after ringing it 20 or so times the fun wears off. I would say the average non match shooter probably puts less than 60 rounds a year through each of his centerfire rifles.

Crazy, Im off to a real slow start this year but have double that through multiple rifles already. Just cant shoot very long with sub zero highs like this weekend.