.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[kkp005]

Bruh, you’re totally leaving 200fps on the table. Those loads are totally safe. As long as you can get the bolt open it’s fine.

My little girl just likes to take a picture of the brass she used after she kills something. I’m only using 23.0 gr of xbr 8208 but it shoots fantastic. Realistically won’t shoot further than 200 yards so no need to chase velocity

 

[Rockpicker]

My little girl just likes to take a picture of the brass she used after she kills something. I’m only using 23.0 gr of xbr 8208 but it shoots fantastic. Realistically won’t shoot further than 200 yards so no need to chase velocity

And I was being a smart azz. I think any charge weight with 8208 shoots well with heavies in 223.

It’s great she likes to take a pic of the brass. I used to do that and send it to my friend across the state and I’d get a text back asking how big the deer was. If he gets a pic of the brass he knows a deer died. It’s a good tradition to hang onto.

 

[BCDJR]

Elmer Keith rolled over in his grave

 

[PNWGATOR]

Elmer Keith rolled over in his grave

Lol

If he only knew then what we know now the hunting world would be a MUCH better place!

 

[Anschutz]

Lol

If he only knew then what we know now the hunting world would be a MUCH better place!

Your comment is disigenous and dismissive of the contributions he did have. Though I believe his contributions are felt more in the handgun hunting crowd, he was on the design team of the Model 70. Even if he knew what we know now in his most active years, he couldn't do anything with the info. Hell, the Partition was new technology in those years. Maybe one day, you'll have a bullet style named after you.

 

[atmat]

Your comment is disigenous and dismissive of the contributions he did have. Though I believe his contributions are felt more in the handgun hunting crowd, he was on the design team of the Model 70. Even if he knew what we know now in his most active years, he couldn't do anything with the info. Hell, the Partition was new technology in those years. Maybe one day, you'll have a bullet style named after you.

I think you’re reading too much into his comment.

 

[Ajsomp]

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[Deere_Man]

Has anyone shot this new Barnes factory ammo with the 69gr TGK?

 

[ehayes]

I’m tryi

Looking for opinions on factory loaded lead free .223 options for California blacktail or blacktail/mule hybrid. Range under 100 yards is most likely. I’m not seeing much for choices besides:

Copper Creek 62gr TTSX
Black Hills 62gr TSX
Lehigh Defense 62gr Controlled Chaos
Lehigh Defense 62gr Maximum Expansion

A few more options exist at 55gr (Barnes TTSX, Winchester, etc) but I assume it’s best to go with the heavier grain in .223?

Undecided on rifle but likely the Tikka compact 20” barrel (11 yo’s rifle).

I’ll be trying the 79 grain DRT when I get my lefty tikka. I’ll post results when I put some rounds on paper. And obviously if one ends up through bear or deer.

 

[Anschutz]

Has anyone shot this new Barnes factory ammo with the 69gr TGK?

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No reason it won't work. Tried a search to point you in the right direction, but I came up empty. The jacket on the TGK is slightly thicker than that on the TMK. May not give as rapid upset as a TMK. Put it in the lungs and you'll be dragging or packing.

 

[6creed]

@Formidilosus what bullet would you use in a Tikka 22-250 8 twist for elk? Still 77 TMK or try heavier 80 eldm 88 eldm? Seems like there is mixed reviews on 88 eldm stability, so maybe 80 eldm/ eldx? Thanks

 

[mtnbound]

@Formidilosus what bullet would you use in a Tikka 22-250 8 twist for elk? Still 77 TMK or try heavier 80 eldm 88 eldm? Seems like there is mixed reviews on 88 eldm stability, so maybe 80 eldm? Thanks

If you look over in the 22 Creedmoor thread you will see the 80 eldx is mentioned a lot.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus what bullet would you use in a Tikka 22-250 8 twist for elk? Still 77 TMK or try heavier 80 eldm 88 eldm? Seems like there is mixed reviews on 88 eldm stability, so maybe 80 eldm/ eldx? Thanks

77gr TMK
80gr ELD-X
80gr ELD-M
88gr ELD-M
75gr ELD-M
73gr ELD-M

Roughly in that order.

 

[6creed]

77gr TMK
80gr ELD-X
80gr ELD-M
88gr ELD-M
75gr ELD-M
73gr ELD-M

Roughly in that order.

Thank you sir!

 

[kkp005]

Thank you sir!

I’ve got an 8 twist tikka 22-250.. it shoots 77gr tmk’s well… It doesn’t like 80gr eldx. Literally 3 inch groups with them

 

[cloy]

Out of curiosity, what problem are you solving for using small calibers on large game? Is this for a small framed shooter or something else? I ask as I personally would not consider this proper, common practice or recommended by those with elk experience.

Honest question. Not trolling you.
Thanks

Thank you sir

 

[Harvey_NW]

Out of curiosity, what problem are you solving for using small calibers on large game? Is this for a small framed shooter or something else? I ask as I personally would not consider this proper, common practice or recommended by those with elk experience.

Honest question. Not trolling you.
Thanks

Welcome to Rokslide

 

[rabbithuntr]

Out of curiosity, what problem are you solving for using small calibers on large game? Is this for a small framed shooter or something else? I ask as I personally would not consider this proper, common practice or recommended by those with elk experience.

Honest question. Not trolling you.
Thanks

To answer your question best you should go back to the beginning of this thread, lots of good info!

 

[Ckat]

Out of curiosity, what problem are you solving for using small calibers on large game? Is this for a small framed shooter or something else? I ask as I personally would not consider this proper, common practice or recommended by those with elk experience.

Honest question. Not trolling you.
Thanks

469 | Why Smaller Calibers May Be Better For Big Game Hunting (Part 1) — The Experience Project

Podcast Episode · The Hunt Backcountry Podcast · June 19, 2024 · 1h 32m

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Listen to this podcast and the next (episode #470) with an open mind… all of the theories and explanations are there. Then come back here for 558 pages of proof that it’s not B.S.

 

[CTXhunter]

Out of curiosity, what problem are you solving for using small calibers on large game? Is this for a small framed shooter or something else? I ask as I personally would not consider this proper, common practice or recommended by those with elk experience.

Honest question. Not trolling you.
Thanks

At a minimum, go to page one, look for the cheat sheet, and see the results.

And most, buy a tikka in 223, shoot some high quality projectiles with a reliable and well mounted scope at a few critters and see the results yourself.

But in all seriousness, cheap to shoot and light recoiling rifles mean you will shoot more. You shoot more you get better. You get better, you put more well placed shots on animals. Well placed shots on animals make em die. More animals die with less fuss, you have more fun hunting.

Your success rate goes up, you shoot more, and you can teach new shooters or kids on your super gentle and cheap to shoot gun.

Aside from all of that, there is some terminal ballistics to study, and if you read the thread you’ll probably be surprised at how impressive the 223 caliber can be on big game, and you will probably have a lot of long held beliefs that will be challenged. Just approach with an open mind, and a fresh cup of coffee for a few weeks, and you will probably be a believer.

At the end of the day, a good bullet will never overcome lack of training or unreliable equipment, so make sure you take a look at some of the training threads, scope mounting, and drop test threads.

Cheers from Texas.