.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[robtattoo]

well,lets make it simple.absolutely assanine and disrespectful of game animals.truly moronic.sorry but it is what it is.

43 pages of folk, me included, are soundly ignoring, nay, laughing loudly at your opinion.

 

[TheGDog]

.300 Win Mag = Disrespectful of your shoulder! (hehe)

 

[Castle Rock]

well,lets make it simple.absolutely assanine and disrespectful of game animals.truly moronic.sorry but it is what it is.

it is always a dik that hasn’t done something that comes out with crap like that

 

[bsnedeker]

well,lets make it simple.absolutely assanine and disrespectful of game animals.truly moronic.sorry but it is what it is.

Well, I agree that the word "simple" is a good descriptor of your opinion... but I'm probably thinking of a different definition of that word than you are.

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[204guy]

He's been sufficiently called out. Let's keep it on track.

 

[TxxAgg]

For anyone possibly looking for tmk ammo, I found this last week. Have never ordered from them but have read on discord they are g2g. I wanted to give it a shot but with over 1k eldm’s I’m going to bite the bullet and get a mtn tac mag and shoot through some of the eldm’s in hopes I can find some tmk projectiles soon. I reached out about velocity and they reported back that they were getting 2600 FPS out of a 16” barrel.

https://americanreloading.com/en/223-rem-556/2982-am-223-rem-77gr-tmk-free-shipping-500-rds.html

I put in an order. Will report back. $0.84/rd for hunting ammo is ok with me even if it is 223

 

[Juan_ID]

I put in an order. Will report back. $0.84/rd for hunting ammo is ok with me even if it is 223

Good deal, are you shooting them out of a tikka? I’d be curious to see what kind of speeds and accuracy you get. Given the price of things right now I didn’t think the price seemed too bad

 

[TxxAgg]

Good deal, are you shooting them out of a tikka? I’d be curious to see what kind of speeds and accuracy you get. Given the price of things right now I didn’t think the price seemed too bad

Yes. T3x that i cut to 16.5"

i liked the black hills. And have another 200 rds from Unknown Munitions.

 

[ChrisAU]

Idk if this link will work.

But I find with 223 I prefer quantity over quality.

https://imgur.com/13TFWq5

 

[Sadler]

For anyone possibly looking for tmk ammo, I found this last week. Have never ordered from them but have read on discord they are g2g. I wanted to give it a shot but with over 1k eldm’s I’m going to bite the bullet and get a mtn tac mag and shoot through some of the eldm’s in hopes I can find some tmk projectiles soon. I reached out about velocity and they reported back that they were getting 2600 FPS out of a 16” barrel.

https://americanreloading.com/en/223-rem-556/2982-am-223-rem-77gr-tmk-free-shipping-500-rds.html

Thanks for posting this. I just picked up 500.

 

[Juan_ID]

Thanks for posting this. I just picked up 500.

Hope it shoots good for you guys!

 

[260madman]

Idk if this link will work.

But I find with 223 I prefer quantity over quality.

https://imgur.com/13TFWq5

Tactical flip flops are bitchin’

 

[woods89]

I shot some of the 77 gr TMK out of a 1-9 CZ this afternoon. Load was Starline brass, CCI 450, and a moderate load of CFE 223. Bullet holes were nice and round at 100 yds.

Accuracy was not bad at all, .87 for 5 shots off a backpack. I shot 5 more over my chrono and was not happy with the ES numbers though. I read that some like to use a milder primer with this powder so I may try that. I also have Varget if nothing else but case capacity becomes the issue.

So for you guys with 1-9 twists, it's worth a try!

Edited to add- Further testing just did not produce the precision I wanted. Not sure if it was twist rate related or not. YMMV.

 

[TxxAgg]

For anyone possibly looking for tmk ammo, I found this last week. Have never ordered from them but have read on discord they are g2g. I wanted to give it a shot but with over 1k eldm’s I’m going to bite the bullet and get a mtn tac mag and shoot through some of the eldm’s in hopes I can find some tmk projectiles soon. I reached out about velocity and they reported back that they were getting 2600 FPS out of a 16” barrel.

https://americanreloading.com/en/223-rem-556/2982-am-223-rem-77gr-tmk-free-shipping-500-rds.html

Got around to shooting these today. Averaged 2605 fps out of a 16.5" barrel. I need to chrono a bunch more this wknd to see what actual spread looks like.

 

[Juan_ID]

Got around to shooting these today. Averaged 2605 fps out of a 16.5" barrel. I need to chrono a bunch more this wknd to see what actual spread looks like.

Good deal, did you shoot any groups? Does the ammo just come loosely packed or does it come in boxes?

 

[TxxAgg]

Loosely packed in 250 piece boxes

I didnt shoot groups on paper. I started at steel at 300 yds and hit every time. Only shot about 15

 

[DJL2]

Well, gents, I grabbed 500 rounds of the American Reloading 77 TMK to test. The AR 77 TMK ammo came to me in Hornady brass, loose packed 250 rounds to a box. I sent 30 rounds in front of my Lab Radar, which picked up 28. I also fired 10 rounds of generic "Green Tip" with a "P S D" head stamp (don't remember the source). It's 30 deg C and 71% humidity here at lovely Fort Benning, about 450 feet ASL. The rifle is a 16" DD M4V1 purchased in late 2009 with a standard milspec 1:7 barrel and a 5.56 NATO chamber. Below today's data, I'll be presenting historical data taken with an MSv3 in central North Carolina under roughly similar conditions.

20210711:
"Green Tip" - Vavg 2906 fps, SD 20.4 fps, ES 69 fps
AR 77 TMK - Vavg 2565 fps, SD 21.4 fps, ES 78 fps

Historical Data:
PMC M193 (55 grain FMJ) - Vavg 2989, SD 23 fps, ES 82 fps
ZQI M855/SS109 - Vavg 2920 fps, SD 34 fps, ES 98 fps
Lapua 69 grain Scenar - Vavg 2837 fps, SD 18 fps, ES 67 fps
CorBon 77 SMK - Vavg 2529, SD 30 fps, ES 94 fps

Calculations:
Using JBM Ballistics, the AR 77 TMK crosses 1800 fps at ~400 yards with roughly 31 inches of drop on average from a 50 meter zero. The slowest shot recorded was 2522 fps and the fastest was 2600 fps. These would be 33 inches low and 30 inches low respectively.

In terms of trajectory and retained velocity, the 77 TMK compares favorably with the 110 VMax @2600 fps from my 6.8 SPC 16" AR-15. The VMax crosses 1800 fps at roughly 375 yards and drop is funtionally identical at 400 yards. The 120 SST @2440 fps MV crosses 1800 fps at roughly 335 yards.

Wind Drift for the 77 TMK in a 10 mph 3/9 o'clock wind is 15.6". That compares to 17.3" for the 69 grain Scenar or, in the 6.8 SPC, 17.5" for the 120 SST, 17.8" for 110 VMax.

Conclusions:
The 30 rounds tested here for velocity and accuracy functioned without issues and made a neat little brass pile at about the 2 o'clock position. My supposition is that this ammunition is loaded on the light side. The 69 grain Lapua runs ~2840 fps. An 8 grain difference in projectile weight doesn't justify a 275 fps difference in MV. The Black hills spec for Mk262 Mod 1-C is 2750 fps. In terms of quality, I consider it "run of the mill." That is to say that it is similar to ammunition tested from several major manufacturers. It is NOT match grade, regardless of using a "match" bullet. .223/5.56 ammunition in general evidences much higher SD/ES in my testing than 6.8 SPC ammunition.

All shooting was conducted from the prone, off a sand bag (no rear rest) with an Aimpoint PRO. The best accuracy from this rifle has been obtained with the Lapua 69 grain Scenar @ ~1.5 MOA. The M885/SS109 tends to be ~ 2MOA depending on who loads it. The AR 77 TMK was a roughly 3 MOA load today. In my case, the rifle and my performance as a shooter will become an issue well before the performance of the bullet, even from a modest MV of 2565 fps.

 

[Lawnboi]

Where the hell are the 77tmk Sierra!

I only pulled doe tags. I really wanted to play with the hammer 124 in my creedmoor but what the heck I’ll just shoot them with the 223 again, this time suppressed!

 

[DJL2]

Mi amigo... haven't seen any, at all, other than the American Reloading mentioned here. I bought them because some, even at a somewhat erratic 2565 fps, are better than none. I am curious what they would do from a bolt gun.

 

[Sadler]

I haven’t been able to find any TMKs but there’s a fixed 6x42 swfa on eBay right now if anybody is looking