.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[PNWGATOR]

One popular recipe: 23.5 8208 COAL to mag length CCI primer

PS It’s worth reading the entire thread.

 

[Marbles]

PS It’s worth reading the entire thread.

Having recently read the entire thing, I agree.

 

[HandgunHTR]

ok, im not gonna read 5000 posts to find this so please dont rip me. what powder, primer, loads you guys that are handloading use for the tmk's. I totally admit I never read this thread cause I cant do the 223 for moose thing. But, I have read enuf to try the tmk's. I just build a tikka 308 but the recoil hurts my cervical stenosis so thinking I might go the 223 route this year or next. I would prefer to buy something factory but can reload a hundred or so.

8208, TAC, and AR Comp have all given me good results using heavy bullets in the .223 and in my 6X45. I stick to CCI primers. I also prefer Winchester brass. I have used Federal without issue, but find that I can get a few more loadings from Win brass.

 

[fwafwow]

For those who don't roll their own, has anyone compared Stand 1 Armory 223 77gr TMKs vs Black Hills 5.56 77gr TMKs?

 

[mtnwrunner]

For those who don't roll their own, has anyone compared Stand 1 Armory 223 77gr TMKs vs Black Hills 5.56 77gr TMKs?

It's in this thread. They shoot well.

Randy

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

0.2R

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[fwafwow]

It's in this thread. They shoot well.

Randy

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

0.2R

rokslide.com

Thanks!

 

[JBradley500]

Anyone running 73 ELDM or 77tmks out of a mini 14? Wasn't sure how stability of the 1 in 9 twist was. I know a guy selling one and thought about it, but it's not as appealing if it's not going to shoot heavies.

 

[Castle Rock]

Run away as fast as you can

 

[Old Dog]

The ELDM might be ok but the 77 grain could be a problem out of a 1-9. As for the rifle itself it really depends if it is one of the early ones or a more recent mini. The early one's had accuracy issues as soon as the barrel warmed up. I had one I bought in the early 80s and it was very accurate with a cold bore and maybe 2 additional rounds then it would walk the following rounds up vertically. I ended up selling it and never bought another one. I've heard the newer ones are much improved however usually you can find an AR for less money than a mini and it will be more accurate.

But as far as handling I liked that rifle a lot.

 

[JBradley500]

The ELDM might be ok but the 77 grain could be a problem out of a 1-9. As for the rifle itself it really depends if it is one of the early ones or a more recent mini. The early one's had accuracy issues as soon as the barrel warmed up. I had one I bought in the early 80s and it was very accurate with a cold bore and maybe 2 additional rounds then it would walk the following rounds up vertically. I ended up selling it and never bought another one. I've heard the newer ones are much improved however usually you can find an AR for less money than a mini and it will be more accurate.

But as far as handling I liked that rifle a lot.

This is probably a 2018 or so version. The guy got it as a raffle ticket winner back then and just wants to get the cash value he could have gotten at the time. Probably 750 bucks at most. I was going to see if he wanted to trade something else I don't use for it. Side note; I live in a nanny state so getting certain things while you can is always on my mind.

 

[LiveFire]

This is probably a 2018 or so version. The guy got it as a raffle ticket winner back then and just wants to get the cash value he could have gotten at the time. Probably 750 bucks at most. I was going to see if he wanted to trade something else I don't use for it. Side note; I live in a nanny state so getting certain things while you can is always on my mind.

Ive owned a couple. $750 will build you a far superior ar15. Dont waste your time with it.

 

[Nomosendero]

Ive owned a couple. $750 will build you a far superior ar15. Dont waste your time with it.

I agree ! The AR platform delivers much better.

 

[roosiebull]

Has anyone used the 77gr abc on game yet? Is there a consensus on it being a rebranded tmk?

 

[Floridave]

Has anyone used the 77gr abc on game yet? Is there a consensus on it being a rebranded tmk?

It has been discussed earlier in this thread, with cutaways of both bullets to compare if I recall.

 

[LiveFire]

Has anyone used the 77gr abc on game yet? Is there a consensus on it being a rebranded tmk?

The precision rifle media podcast june 29th of this year had Brent the owner of creedmoor sports on. I suggest listening to it but yes they are sierra bullets repackaged. Not seconds, he claims they are just repackaged.

 

[fwafwow]

First hunting shot with my new RSS. 73gr ELD-M out of 16.5" barrel. Mature doe slightly quartering to at 85 yards. Ran zero yards. External entrance wound almost completely invisible. Pictured below - entry wound from inside chest (no exit), brass from prior kills in the blind ("which one of these is not like the others?") and others.

 

[Thegman]

Three more results with the 77 TMK on Sitka Blacktail. All three dropped when hit and tumbled down the mountain sides. Two required kill shots when found, from bullet placement, but not bullet performance.

Don't have tons of field pics because as usual, was trying to get finished before I had to deal with a brown bear (we ran into at least 7 up close over 8 days of hunting...but only one for me personally).

First buck, big bodied old fork at about 300 yards. Took out both lungs and somehow blew a hole up through the spine as well. Recovered the back of the jacket and a bit of lead against the offside hide.

Lungs


Entrance side



Far side



Hole up through spine

 

[Thegman]

Second was a small fork quartering to at 163 yards steep uphill (shot it while I was working on number one). Tumbled down a steep rock face and stopped about 100 yards below where he was hit.

Only took out one lung at this angle but may have damaged spine as well. Required kill shot when I found him where he stopped tumbling in a thick low willow patch.



Lung

 

[Thegman]

Last was a good 3x up in the alpine. 293 yards somewhat uphill. Hit was a little too high but bullet passed under the spine and broke the spine. Buck tumbled down about 50 yards and stopped. Finishing shot when I got up to him.

There was a brown bear down the mountain below so not many pics. Just the buck and entrance with the hide removed. I didn't find the bullet but it appeared it was probably against the far side hide.

Not the best shot placement/angles on two of them, but even with that, none took a step after being hit. I don't recall ever having three bucks drop like that with my 308 or 30-06.

Last buck

Entrance through ribs

 

[roosiebull]

The precision rifle media podcast june 29th of this year had Brent the owner of creedmoor sports on. I suggest listening to it but yes they are sierra bullets repackaged. Not seconds, he claims they are just repackaged.

I will listen, thank you!