.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Lawnboi]

This is brilliant. I removed over 500 primer crimps from the frontier brass I saved and like many, after doing that once I realized I’d rather just buy brass without crimps. I may look into this for practice ammo next year, thanks for the tip!

Same…. Brass with crimps goes in the recycling bucket!

 

[Marbles]

I’ve not heard much of bad quality from them and have also ordered multiple times. I would buy with a lot of confidence.

But yeah ultimately $60 is inconsequential. If you trust EO more then buy from them — they’re great too.

I ordered a stainless 6.5CM from gunzonedeals last week for the price @atmat stated. It shipped a day or two later. Supposed to be here Tuesday. No issues with my sample size of one.

I also got the $723 deal from Gunzone without any issues.

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[fwafwow]

@fwafwow

ADI World Class .223 REM 55 Grain Sierra Blitzking CASE200 UPC: 9332153003173

Global Ordnance. ADI (Australian Munitions). The Sierra® BlitzKing® selected for this load is designed for explosive expansion in varmints and small game with the accuracy of the MatchKing® bullets

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Look up cases of global ordinance ADI loaded with 55 blitz kings and 69 smk. Smoking deal for decent brass, loaded well. The 55bk ammo is also a round I found just shoots in most tikkas. Not much more expensive than the bull ammo you’re looking at but it’s not bulk. It also dosnt have a primer crimp if you plan to reload.

Great for short range work and 100 yard drills. Good Vermin/predator round as well. Stuff at short distance has shot better than I can hand load heavier stuff.

Anymore I save Tmk for big animals.

Thanks for this info. I ran the same numbers for 400 of the Blitz Kings and SMKs and the comparable numbers are $0.60 and $0.62 per. When you add in taxes and the lower shipping costs, the numbers are $0.74 and $0.68 for Frontier 5.56 and 223 BTHP, respectively, and $0.71 $0.68 for the ADIs. Although I'm not a reloader, I will be saving my brass.

I'm not familiar with ADI, and admit that my first reaction would be to spend the difference (if any) with a "known" (at least to me) brand. But if they are the same, or ADI is better (whether due to the crimping issue, or otherwise), I'm more than happy to try the ADI. Especially a mix of both weights.

 

[brockel]

Antelope aren’t much of a bullet test but here’s 230 yards from a 77 TMK started at 2800fps. Buck took it behind the shoulder and ran 40 yards stopped and stood for 5 seconds or so and tipped over.

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[Jimbee]

Thanks for this info. I ran the same numbers for 400 of the Blitz Kings and SMKs and the comparable numbers are $0.60 and $0.62 per. When you add in taxes and the lower shipping costs, the numbers are $0.74 and $0.68 for Frontier 5.56 and 223 BTHP, respectively, and $0.71 $0.68 for the ADIs. Although I'm not a reloader, I will be saving my brass.

I'm not familiar with ADI, and admit that my first reaction would be to spend the difference (if any) with a "known" (at least to me) brand. But if they are the same, or ADI is better (whether due to the crimping issue, or otherwise), I'm more than happy to try the ADI. Especially a mix of both weights.

I bought 700rds of ADI 69gr and it shot really well out of my tikka. Now I have a bunch of good brass that I've reloaded a few times. I recommend ADI for accuracy and brass, but I haven't tried any hornady

 

[ztc92]

Thanks for this info. I ran the same numbers for 400 of the Blitz Kings and SMKs and the comparable numbers are $0.60 and $0.62 per. When you add in taxes and the lower shipping costs, the numbers are $0.74 and $0.68 for Frontier 5.56 and 223 BTHP, respectively, and $0.71 $0.68 for the ADIs. Although I'm not a reloader, I will be saving my brass.

I'm not familiar with ADI, and admit that my first reaction would be to spend the difference (if any) with a "known" (at least to me) brand. But if they are the same, or ADI is better (whether due to the crimping issue, or otherwise), I'm more than happy to try the ADI. Especially a mix of both weights.

I bought 700rds of ADI 69gr and it shot really well out of my tikka. Now I have a bunch of good brass that I've reloaded a few times. I recommend ADI for accuracy and brass, but I haven't tried any hornady

I can’t speak to ADI brass personally as I’ve never used it, though I’ve heard it’s good quality. My experience with Hornady frontier brass has been mixed. The ammo shot well (1.5-2 MOA 10-shot groups for me as a newer shooter) but the brass is hit or miss, probably depending on the lot. Probably 2/3 of the frontier brass I’ve kept was Lake City, the other 1/3 was stamped PSD, which according to google is decent quality and Korean made. All the frontier brass I’ve saved to reload had crimped primers, which is a pain. About half of the cases required trimming to be within spec and about 10% were trimmed so short I didn’t feel comfortable reloading them.

If you ever plan to reload, the difference of a few dollars spread out over 1000 rounds with the ADI brass vs the grab-bag that is Hornady frontier brass seems like a no brainer to me. If you factor in your time for brass prep, especially the primer pockets, it starts to make even more sense.

 

[Lawnboi]

Thanks for this info. I ran the same numbers for 400 of the Blitz Kings and SMKs and the comparable numbers are $0.60 and $0.62 per. When you add in taxes and the lower shipping costs, the numbers are $0.74 and $0.68 for Frontier 5.56 and 223 BTHP, respectively, and $0.71 $0.68 for the ADIs. Although I'm not a reloader, I will be saving my brass.

I'm not familiar with ADI, and admit that my first reaction would be to spend the difference (if any) with a "known" (at least to me) brand. But if they are the same, or ADI is better (whether due to the crimping issue, or otherwise), I'm more than happy to try the ADI. Especially a mix of both weights.

Frontier is junk compared to adi in my experience.

I’d buy adi before even buying Hornady match 223

 

[DJL2]

Website says every 700 has a Timney in it. Wonder if its a decent trigger or if it just has their name slapped on a POS?

Couldn’t be any worse than what it replaced. Something tells me Timney wouldn’t risk their rep on shit product in an OEM rifle. Good that Remington acknowledged their complete inability to make a safe trigger of decent quality since the 40X and did something about it. It’s sad that the solution wasn’t found in house.

 

[DJL2]

Of note, back in the day, I had some 3/8" plate steel that I tested a lot of 5.56 on.

M193 would launch spalling and "make it through" (launch a plug out the back) out to about 100m
M855 would penetrate, and then through a 2x6 behind the plate. It would do this out to 150m, where I stopped testing.
Hornady TAP 5.56 T2 would perform similar to M193.

This was all from a 20" rifle.

Velocity is what burns through hard stuff, as is construction of projectile. The .45 ACP is a very slow creature, and it does not do well with hard stuff due to low velocity, low kinetic energy vs. frontal area, and soft projectile construction (typically). using some sort of hard caste bullet with a sharp shoulder may change the dynamic.

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This is between the frangible TMK and the bonded tip load in .308. Take a look at the steel, plywood, and auto glass. I’d have absolutely zero qualms using the TMK in any scenario where 12+ inches of penetration gets the job done.
I thought for sure they had the 77 TMK test results published... and they might, somewhere. What I recall was essentially the same performance with a slightly narrowed wound channel.

 

[Brandon.miller.4]

And its annoying sometimes.
Educations cost money.
I have yet to prove form wrong and have tried.

I'll see if I can prove him wrong in a week by sending a 133 berger through the almighty impenetrable elk shoulder. Jokes aside I'm trying to get over my aversion to shoulders. I used to aim for them and I let other people get in my head with their nonsense. I'm actively taking my mind back to "shoot em in the center of vitals regardless of angle." No more "sneaking it in behind the shoulder games."

 

[grfox92]

Factory Hornady 73gr ELDM. Antelope 75 yards. Out-of a gas gun.

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[xsn10s]

Couldn’t be any worse than what it replaced. Something tells me Timney wouldn’t risk their rep on shit product in an OEM rifle. Good that Remington acknowledged their complete inability to make a safe trigger of decent quality since the 40X and did something about it. It’s sad that the solution wasn’t found in house.

Any trigger can malfunction. I just searched a RS favorite and found issues with it's trigger. If it's mechanical it can fail.

 

[DJL2]

Any trigger can malfunction. I just searched a RS favorite and found issues with it's trigger. If it's mechanical it can fail.

Remington went through two iterations of OEM trigger that were unsafe enough that they were the subject of class action lawsuits. The first resulted in a recall of over 7,500,000 units. The second of those being the X-Mark Pro... though supposedly that was just slip shod assembly and lack of QA/QC rather than a design flaw. That's well beyond "any mechanical item can fail" I'd say.

 

[xsn10s]

Remington went through two iterations of OEM trigger that were unsafe enough that they were the subject of class action lawsuits. The first resulted in a recall of over 7,500,000 units. The second of those being the X-Mark Pro... though supposedly that was just slip shod assembly and lack of QA/QC rather than a design flaw. That's well beyond "any mechanical item can fail" I'd say.

I've been through two of remington's armorer's courses and adjusted my 700's trigger. It's held fine for over twenty years. I'd say the lawsuit was bs.

 

[ElPollo]

I've been through two of remington's armorer's courses and adjusted my 700's trigger. It's held fine for over twenty years. I'd say the lawsuit was bs.

There were enough problems to warrant the recall of 7.5 million R700s, but yours hasn’t had a problem yet. Must all be bullshit. Can’t argue with that logic. Makes me really want to go buy one.

 

[xsn10s]

There were enough problems to warrant the recall of 7.5 million R700s, but yours hasn’t had a problem yet. Must all be bullshit. Can’t argue with that logic. Makes me really want to go buy one.

I've seen you tout tikkas. There are reports of the same trigger failures on tikkas as the rem 700's. Heck I've had to work on Glocks and other highly praised firearms for trigger failures. The fact is something can be misadjusted, improperly manufactured, or simply worn out. I see much of the lawsuit based on emotion because of the kid that got shot. Following the basic firearms safety rules of never point your firearms at anything you do not want to destroy this shouldn't of happened. But hey it's easier to blame the firearm.

 

[xsn10s]

The way I see it if you want to attack US firearms then go for the biggest kid on the block. Well Remington was one of the biggest kids. Now you see state gov trying to pass laws so they can blame firearms manufacturers for violent crimes. Blame the guns for people's actions, much like blaming spoons for people being fat.

 

[xsn10s]

Next we'll see tmk's being blamed for being too lethal lol.

 

[ElPollo]

Next we'll see tmk's being blamed for being too lethal lol.

More good logic. Keep it coming.

 

[fwafwow]

The way I see it if you want to attack US firearms then go for the biggest kid on the block. Well Remington was one of the biggest kids. Now you see state gov trying to pass laws so they can blame firearms manufacturers for violent crimes. Blame the guns for people's actions, much like blaming spoons for people being fat.

Yeah, this is a conspiracy of a bunch of Scandinavians and other Tikka fanboys on RS who are out to get US companies. I don't think anyone said (or has ever said) that any trigger system, or any mechanical device, is free from a risk of failure.

Sorry to the mods (and everyone else) for engaging in this troll diversion. This debate about R700 triggers has been beaten to death, and while I don't mind it being raised again - this isn't the thread for it.