.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

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Correct. They were one of the biggest. Then their triggers were discovered to have a failure in design, and their QC dropped off the face of the planet. Now they’re where they are by their own failures.
I disagree. The failure was in the adjustments. Whether it wasn't adjusted properly from the factory or maladjusted by the owner. But I agree they had a QC problem especially at the end. I haven't taken the new Timney apart but I suspect the reason Remington decided to use it is because it's not adjustable.
 

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I disagree. The failure was in the adjustments. Whether it wasn't adjusted properly from the factory or maladjusted by the owner. But I agree they had a QC problem especially at the end. I haven't taken the new Timney apart but I suspect the reason Remington decided to use it is because it's not adjustable.

Prove it wasn't a design flaw.
There is a metric crap ton of information out there proving it is.
Your out of your depth.
Thank you for telling us your feelings.

What are you even doing in this thread? Why dont you start another thread about this and not clog up this one.
 

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Prove it wasn't a design flaw.
There is a metric crap ton of information out there proving it is.
Your out of your depth.
Thank you for telling us your feelings.

What are you even doing in this thread? Why dont you start another thread about this and not clog up this one.
I'm watching just like everyone else for the TMK posts. You guys keep quoting me so the clogging up of the thread is on you lol.
 

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Yeah, this is a conspiracy of a bunch of Scandinavians and other Tikka fanboys on RS who are out to get US companies. I don't think anyone said (or has ever said) that any trigger system, or any mechanical device, is free from a risk of failure.

Sorry to the mods (and everyone else) for engaging in this troll diversion. This debate about R700 triggers has been beaten to death, and while I don't mind it being raised again - this isn't the thread for it.
My apologies for engaging on this one. This thread is about people posting actual data on using the 223 on big game, but for some reason it also seems to be like flypaper for other random dogma.
 
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Sorry - I know it's totally buried in here but I'll bump with relevant discussion.

I'm going to reload for the first time, roughly following Forms painless method. 77gr TMKs with varget in once fired Hornady brass. BR2 primers. Tikka T3X compact with Banish 30 Gold suppressor.

Amy recommendations on starting charges for powder and seating depth?
 

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Sorry - I know it's totally buried in here but I'll bump with relevant discussion.

I'm going to reload for the first time, roughly following Forms painless method. 77gr TMKs with varget in once fired Hornady brass. BR2 primers. Tikka T3X compact with Banish 30 Gold suppressor.

Amy recommendations on starting charges for powder and seating depth?
Mag length (2.3") works just fine with the 77 TMK in a T3.
 

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After reading this thread, I decided the 223/77TMK might allow for an "ultralight mountain rifle" of sorts. I built a 3# 1oz (bare rifle) bolt action AR 223.

Took this ~6' boar at 350 yards. I don't normally need to shoot this far and I've only shot one black bear further than that (with a 308 Win), but that was as close as the conditions allowed. I was a little hesitant as this was literally the first shot on game I've taken with the 77 TMK...but after seeing the results in this thread, I was confident it would work as long as I could place the shot. Shot was broadside just back of the shoulder. Hit there or maybe an inch or so forward of that.

He ran about 40 yards, started to wobble and then ragdolled down the mountain about 100 yards into some willows in the pic. Death moan right after he stopped.

Worked well but the damage to the lungs was a little less than I expected after seeing the explosive pics in this thread. Impact should have been above 2000 fps. Regardless, I'd say the results on time to death on 30 some closer bears with 308/30-06 haven't been any different, other than I'd most likely have a pass through on the same shot and more blood trail (which I didn't need)...but those rifles also weigh a lot more than 3#.

Bear as found where he stopped rolling down the mountain.

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Lungs
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Entrance in ribs

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Far side shoulder removed with piece of jacket

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After reading this thread, I decided the 223/77TMK might allow for an "ultralight mountain rifle" of sorts. I built a 3# 1oz (bare rifle) bolt action AR 223.

Took this ~6' boar at 350 yards. I don't normally need to shoot this far and I've only shot one black bear further than that (with a 308 Win), but that was as close as the conditions allowed. I was a little hesitant as this was literally the first shot on game I've taken with the 77 TMK...but after seeing the results in this thread, I was confident it would work as long as I could place the shot. Shot was broadside just back of the shoulder. Hit there or maybe an inch or so forward of that.

He ran about 40 yards, started to wobble and then ragdolled down the mountain about 100 yards into some willows in the pic. Death moan right after he stopped.

Worked well but the damage to the lungs was a little less than I expected after seeing the explosive pics in this thread. Impact should have been above 2000 fps. Regardless, I'd say the results on time to death on 30 some closer bears with 308/30-06 haven't been any different, other than I'd most likely have a pass through on the same shot and more blood trail (which I didn't need)...but those rifles also weigh a lot more than 3#.

Bear as found where he stopped rolling down the mountain.

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Entrance in ribs

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Can you create a thread on that feather lite AR build. I would not want it buried in this thread as that is too awesome.
 

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I can start a thread on these ultralight rifles (I've built several in several different chamberings) with a lot more detail if there's interest. I've been hunting with this basic setup for over a year now and really like it so far. Taken black bear, deer, moose and grizzly with them (those others were with a 300 HAM'R). They're so light I've literally had to double check that I didn't forget the rifle when it's slung on my shoulder with a daypack on. (Don't want to derail the 77 TMK thread with any of that though)

But the basics on this one, the "Red Ryder" (feels like a BB gun and weighs about 12 oz more than a Red Ryder BB gun).

Faxon pencil contour 16" 223 Wylde barrel
TN Arms Carbon 15 lower
Solo 300 Upper
A2 stock tube with a Farrow Tech butt attachement (Smoke Composites stock would be almost as light but 4x the cost)
NFA polymer LPK
Houge 15° grip
As pictured, a cut down NFA aluminum handguard I experimented with. No gas tube so didn't need the top section and wanted to test the idea. These rifles really jut need the lower part of a handguard to shoot off of. Actually weighs about 3#3oz with this handguard, but a couple ounces less with a 10.5" Jag Composites ultralight handguard. They're 2.5x the cost though.
Aluminum gas block, reversed to plug the gas port.

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I can start a thread on these ultralight rifles (I've built several in several different chamberings) with a lot more detail if there's interest. I've been hunting with this basic setup for over a year now and really like it so far. Taken black bear, deer, moose and grizzly with them (those others were with a 300 HAM'R). They're so light I've literally had to double check that I didn't forget the rifle when it's slung on my shoulder with a daypack on. (Don't want to derail the 77 TMK thread with any of that though)
I would be interested in a separate thread about these builds you have done.
 
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After reading this thread, I decided the 223/77TMK might allow for an "ultralight mountain rifle" of sorts. I built a 3# 1oz (bare rifle) bolt action AR 223.

Took this ~6' boar at 350 yards. I don't normally need to shoot this far and I've only shot one black bear further than that (with a 308 Win), but that was as close as the conditions allowed. I was a little hesitant as this was literally the first shot on game I've taken with the 77 TMK...but after seeing the results in this thread, I was confident it would work as long as I could place the shot. Shot was broadside just back of the shoulder. Hit there or maybe an inch or so forward of that.

He ran about 40 yards, started to wobble and then ragdolled down the mountain about 100 yards into some willows in the pic. Death moan right after he stopped.

Worked well but the damage to the lungs was a little less than I expected after seeing the explosive pics in this thread. Impact should have been above 2000 fps. Regardless, I'd say the results on time to death on 30 some closer bears with 308/30-06 haven't been any different, other than I'd most likely have a pass through on the same shot and more blood trail (which I didn't need)...but those rifles also weigh a lot more than 3#.

Bear as found where he stopped rolling down the mountain.

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Lungs
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Top of heart

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Entrance in ribs

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Entance shoulder removed

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Far side shoulder removed with piece of jacket

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Appreciate your contribution to the thread and congratulations on the bear!
 
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